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  • Ubuntu To Start Shipping On Smartphones In October

    Phoronix: Ubuntu To Start Shipping On Smartphones In October

    There's a report out today that Ubuntu will begin to ship on smart-phones beginning this October...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTI5NTU

  • #2
    Give me a hardware keyboard and I'll buy one!

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    • #3
      I'm still not sure what this means exactly. Is it really an Ubuntu smartphone, or is it Android with Ubuntu. I guess it's the real Ubuntu smartphone. But didn't they say it's coming in 2014?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Krysto View Post
        I'm still not sure what this means exactly. Is it really an Ubuntu smartphone, or is it Android with Ubuntu. I guess it's the real Ubuntu smartphone. But didn't they say it's coming in 2014?

        Anything that runs x11 will get my derision.

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        • #5
          QT?

          I read somewhere, dunno if that was here on a previous similar article, or a /. reference about that article here.
          So I have to double check by asking this :: Did they build it using QT?

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          • #6
            bsn had a nice comprehensive analysis about the chances of the various new mobile OSs, incl firefox and ubuntu.

            http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...lackberry.aspx

            Definitly worth reading.

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            • #7
              Do consumers care? This is just another phone OS that can't run users' existing app downloads, is missing the huge app market of iOS and Android, and has no compelling consumer-oriented features. This is like Windows Phone, but with a far smaller and poorer company shoveling it. It's the 1999 Linux desktop story all over again, except this time Apple and Google are the behemoths instead of Microsoft, and nobody really cares about freeing things up since Android is "free enough" for most, and Ubuntu is also lacking for Free purists.

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              • #8
                If this means that I can run any software on it that can be compiled to run on ARM it is time to get a new phone for me when these phones come to Europe.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by elanthis View Post
                  Do consumers care? This is just another phone OS that can't run users' existing app downloads, is missing the huge app market of iOS and Android, and has no compelling consumer-oriented features. This is like Windows Phone, but with a far smaller and poorer company shoveling it. It's the 1999 Linux desktop story all over again, except this time Apple and Google are the behemoths instead of Microsoft, and nobody really cares about freeing things up since Android is "free enough" for most, and Ubuntu is also lacking for Free purists.
                  You are wrong on many levels. First of all, many apps are being developed with HTML5 or JS lately, which are easily cross platform. Secondly, nearly every package that major distros support is on ARM, so there's already the potential to have a fully functional desktop OS if you chose to do so and don't expect windows programs. Thirdly, there is going to be that android compatibility layer. and lastly, wine for ARM is being developed at a very good time (when windows RT is also young and not too complex). This means Ubuntu phone will be able to run most linux programs, android apps, windows rt apps, and web based apps. If anything, Ubuntu phone will have more app support than any other mobile platform.

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                  • #10
                    Let's put it this way- we never relied on PC manufacturers to make their computers compatible with Linux- we created the support because we wanted something we had more control over, something with the qualities we found valuable in an OS. Although there are perhaps more hardware-specific features in smartphones, we're getting to the point where it will be possible to have many devices supported by a traditional Linux stack whether the carrier provides the support or not. This is how Linux grew.

                    However, on top of that, you have a few additional benefits. First, most of these OSes do have some commitment from manufacturers, so we'll definitely see Firefox OS and Sailfish. But aside from that, Android has a very close architecture with these OSes (much closer than say, Windows and desktop Linux). So it would be much easier to provide Android app compatibility on these systems- in fact, Sailfish is shipping with a 1:1 compatibility layer from Myriad. And, seeing as how Android is open source, the work to create a successful FOSS layer would be considerably easier than something like WINE.

                    Now, sure we face the problem of Android apps being ugly and inconsistent with our systems, but many users face some of this already with ultra-customized UIs for many popular Android apps like Netflix. This is not an issue that would be superbly difficult to mitigate.

                    So, unless you think Linux on the desktop is a hopeless and pointless effort, I'd say moving our stack to mobile is much more hopeful than the desktop market ever was. Especially since mobile devices usually play a secondary role, and people don't really need certain apps yet- they can go without one or two without losing significant productivity or work.

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                    • #11
                      More information is needed on the non-libre parts of the phone. What drivers will be binary only. What apps will be binary only? Will it run the dalvik engine to run android apps next to its own stuff?

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                      • #12
                        Meh.

                        I used to love Ubuntu (I still have some stickers, cups, t-shirt etc) but then I saw all the useless crap they are recreating (the we-promoted-wayland-but-now-we-don't-want-it thing, Ubuntu one DB, Ubuntu SDK and even Unity etc.) and I really don't care any more...
                        I don't say I will uninstall it immediately, but I will look for alternatives...

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                        • #13
                          Definitely something I'm looking forward to, even if I have my reservations about Ubuntu. This is a niche I think can be filled. I will never ever, under no circumstances, if even given for free or paid for, touch iEvil hardware or software, so that rules that out for me. And Google is becoming increasingly ominously omnipresent for me, so I try to avoid their products, close any remaining gmail/yt accounts, use alternative search engines, etc. For someone like me, a smartphone from a company in whose sincerity I believe is something completely different. After all, Shuttleworth already made his fortune, he doesn't look like such a capitalist pig ala Jobless since dead/Page/Brin/Gates.

                          Side note: Has anyone of you ever noticed those disgusting antifa people/vegans/other Good (tm) people who use the latest iEvil/Google phone to communicate and coordinate their deeds of Good?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by susikala View Post
                            Definitely something I'm looking forward to, even if I have my reservations about Ubuntu. This is a niche I think can be filled. I will never ever, under no circumstances, if even given for free or paid for, touch iEvil hardware or software, so that rules that out for me. And Google is becoming increasingly ominously omnipresent for me, so I try to avoid their products, close any remaining gmail/yt accounts, use alternative search engines, etc. For someone like me, a smartphone from a company in whose sincerity I believe is something completely different. After all, Shuttleworth already made his fortune, he doesn't look like such a capitalist pig ala Jobless since dead/Page/Brin/Gates.

                            Side note: Has anyone of you ever noticed those disgusting antifa people/vegans/other Good (tm) people who use the latest iEvil/Google phone to communicate and coordinate their deeds of Good?
                            Here's a crazy thought, maybe things become really successful, and by extension make their creators very wealthy - because they're good.

                            I'll be looking at these for my next phone later this year, but it boils down to this: If the Ubuntu phone is best I can get for my budget, then I'll get one, otherwise I won't.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by cbamber85 View Post
                              Here's a crazy thought, maybe things become really successful, and by extension make their creators very wealthy - because they're good.
                              Where's the logic here? I claimed that Shuttleworth made his fortune somewhere else than Ubuntu (and by extension of that thought, doesn't necessarily see Canonical as a vehicle to make him rich), which cannot be said about Gates, the Google duo or the first bastard I mentioned. Successful != good. Several dictatorships in the past and in the present were and are pretty successful, at least within their own country. North Korea is successful in keeping its horrid regime for centuries -- and its heads are certainly very wealthy. That doesn't make them good. I really do consider it a crazy thought to equate successful with good, but this is exactly the bf'd logic that people who use smartphones by one of the companies I mentioned employ.

                              The other way round, the argument works just as little. For example, not driving cars and using public transportation is a _good_ thing to do, at least from an environmental point of view. Still most middle class people in the Western countries own a car, and those who use public transportation do it because they have to, not because they want. So here's a good example for a good thing which isn't successful because people are pigs.
                              Last edited by susikala; 02-08-2013, 02:22 AM.

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