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    Phoronix: Intel: Samsung Clobbering Others With Tizen

    There's a bit of a spat that started between Intel and Samsung developers working on the Tizen operating system...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTIwMDU

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    Originally posted by phoronix View Post
    Phoronix: Intel: Samsung Clobbering Others With Tizen

    There's a bit of a spat that started between Intel and Samsung developers working on the Tizen operating system...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTIwMDU
    I've lost track. What is the current future of the Linux phone? Maemo? Moblin? MeeGo? Meltemi? Tizen? Mer? Jolla? WebOS? Bada? Sailfish?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 0xCAFE View Post
      I've lost track. What is the current future of the Linux phone? Maemo? Moblin? MeeGo? Meltemi? Tizen? Mer? Jolla? WebOS? Bada? Sailfish?
      Obviously Android. Although I liked the N900.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 0xCAFE View Post
        I've lost track. What is the current future of the Linux phone? Maemo? Moblin? MeeGo? Meltemi? Tizen? Mer? Jolla? WebOS? Bada? Sailfish?
        Maemo - maintained by the community
        Moblin - dead (development stopped by Intel)
        MeeGo - dead (dumped by all participants after Nokias 11/2 Elopocalipse)
        Meltemi - dead (development stopped by Nokia)
        Tizen - status uncertain (developed behind closed doors, which also causes issues like the one described in this article)
        Mer - alive and kicking (= MEeGo Reconstructed - continues where MeeGo originally stopped; it is basically a metadistribution without any GUI; can be easily used for building fully functional mobile distros)
        Jolla - alive (based on mer with custom UI & polishing; should get its own device/s soon)
        Sailfish - alive (this is basically just Jolla licensed to other OEMs; basically like Iceweasel in Debian)
        WebOS - alive but uncertain (opensourced, but loosing support for running on its original hardware in the process; currently no plans for releasing further WebOS devices)
        Bada - dead (development stopped by Samsung; parts might land in Tizen to universal acclaim )

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        • #5
          Clusterfuck is the only word i can think of that describes what happens to mobile linux -except for android- the last few years.

          Hope Jolla will manage to put out something that is as good as the N9. HW -which IS important- and SW wise. They are the same people after all.

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          • #6
            Firefox OS - developed by Mozilla, first devices expected from ZTE in early 2013 (current demos run on hacked Android phones).
            OpenEmbedded - not strictly aimed at Smartphones, but derived distros like OpenMoko are. Community developed, limited relevance for consumers.
            Qt Extended (formerly Qtopia) - ran on some phones, development has been abandoned.

            Personally, I think that Tizen, Firefox OS and Jolla will have a chance if they establish a common set of developer tools that allows to target all three at once.

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            • #7
              Isn't Firefox Os something that just runs on top of a linux base??

              BTW anyone knows if Jolla is using Wayland??

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                BTW anyone knows if Jolla is using Wayland??
                It isn't; at least not yet.

                Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                Isn't Firefox Os something that just runs on top of a linux base??
                It uses some components from both the usual GNU/Linux stack (like libusbx and BlueZ) and some other stuff from Android userland such as the HALs and bionic C libary.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Teho View Post
                  It isn't; at least not yet.
                  .
                  Thanks. I remember reading mer was trying to incorporate it in their stack but i have no idea if it was just brainstorming a target for a next release or whatever.

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                  • #10
                    I lost all and interest (and hope) in Tizen after I noticed they just do squashed mega-commits to the public repositories from time to time (they've done this pretty much from the very start). It's completely useless if you want to collaborate in a meaningful way, as there is no way to track what changed and why. It's also quite strange that now you need an account to pull from public repositories. It's hard to actually consider Tizen open source if you look at the way they operate. It's as closed as you can possibly get with an open source project. Basically, Samsung does EVERYTHING internally and at the end of a month simply unloads a huge mudball of source code into repositories.
                    Last edited by brent; 10-06-2012, 12:57 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Wow, that's a shitload of a commit.. did anyone actually take a look at it?
                      Do they even know the word "rebase"? I have no idea how that could have gone unnoticed for so long.

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                      • #12
                        Ah, fond memories of finding out the bootchart renderer was in Java, and promptly installing a replacement rendered written in Perl

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by brent View Post
                          I lost all and interest (and hope) in Tizen after I noticed they just do squashed mega-commits to the public repositories from time to time (they've done this pretty much from the very start).
                          They must have a real blast cherry picking

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                            Hope Jolla will manage to put out something that is as good as the N9. HW -which IS important- and SW wise. They are the same people after all.
                            Well, there's a few ex-MeeGo people at Jolla, most of whom weren't directly involved in hardware or software development, out of a couple of thousand when MeeGo wound up. So I think the whole 'continuation of the N9' thing has been massively, massively overplayed.

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                            • #15
                              "Arjan van de Ven noticed that the modern C-based Bootchart tool was replaced by a 2005 Java-version of Bootchart that is quite old and carries less features"

                              Sounds like a regression...
                              So what's the big deal? Just REVERT IT ALL!

                              Looks like Samsung just dropped a big poo on a public repository because they kept code inhouse without being synchronized with the public repositories. If so, I'd say it's Samsung's fault and isn't the responsibility of the community to clean up Samsung's mess. No doubt they pushed it to the community hoping that somebody in the community would cherry pick for them exactly what to be included and excluded. It didn't happen, so just revert all the push Samsung did and if they have something to contribute, force them to work with Intel if they want to have it included.

                              This is a problem of Samsung going out of their way to *NOT* work with Intel and the community so it's their own mess that they made, and a mess that they need to clean up on their own. Samsung just hasn't yet learned how to collaborate well with other companies and the community so this is their time to learn.

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