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  • 2012 MacBook Air Isn't Trouble-Free On Linux

    Phoronix: 2012 MacBook Air Isn't Trouble-Free On Linux

    While lately I've been busy with trying out the Retina MacBook Pro under Linux, which has been a big problem and I'm not recommending the rMBP for Linux users at this time (more details soon), it looks like the new MacBook Air might also have some Linux woes...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE1ODA

  • #2
    kinda weird that the expensive mac book air has a lower resolution than the ipad...

    ...which costs about half the price.
    For the price of the mac book air, you'd expect something better.

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    • #3
      so whats the point of this article, the headline sounds a bit like linux devs did not made their work, but the point is if apple or sony hardware dont work under linux, apple and sony sucks. Yes you did not say linux or linux devs did suck but just to be sure lets say apple and sony sucks, dont buy hardware of them or complain by them not on kernel mailing lists or something like that.

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      • #4
        Its always going to be like that unless someone decides to start a hi-end linux HW company. Problems are fixed after the product reaches the market and the hands of people skillful enough to solve them.

        Companies like Sony, Apple etc don't care about linux on their laptops.

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        • #5
          I just had a chance to borrow the latest "high-spec" macbook air the other day...

          And I must say the Asus UX32VD-R4002V (i7, 1080p display) with replaced ssd + extra memory costs 2/3 of the price just gives you much more value for money.

          While its not as slim (really we're talking about minor differences here..), it does have dedicated graphics and the real keyboard to its advantage.

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          • #6
            so where is the problem, the point is that we have to support or better we have to support together with one company together one company... so all linuxer buys this laptops... and then fuck apple fuck sony... linux gets more market share year after year, it could work faster but nobody thinks that linux is in 20 years at only 5% market share on the desktop like totday so if this companys think they can forget about this 30-70% market share of linux in 20 years, let them go they will crawl back or stop selling notebooks because they sell to less....

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 3diStan View Post
              ...which costs about half the price.
              For the price of the mac book air, you'd expect something better.

              Yeah, like more ram, more storage, a keyboard, and the ability to run a multitasking desktop OS. Oh, wait.....

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              • #8
                Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                so whats the point of this article, the headline sounds a bit like linux devs did not made their work, but the point is if apple or sony hardware dont work under linux, apple and sony sucks. Yes you did not say linux or linux devs did suck but just to be sure lets say apple and sony sucks, dont buy hardware of them or complain by them not on kernel mailing lists or something like that.
                Why are we blaming Apple and Sony for the kernel's inability to deal with mobile implementations of Ivy bridge? Why are we even placing blame to begin with. Install linux (or try), file bugs, fix bugs, linux works. This is our SDLC. It seems like every time an OEM/HAR/VAR releases a new product, people bitch and moan as if they have committed some great injustice.

                Everyone stop B&M. We have cool new tech to play with. This is exciting. This is fun.

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                • #9
                  me@MacBookAir:~$ uname -a
                  Linux MacBookAir 3.2.0-24-generic #39-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 21 16:52:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
                  me@MacBookAir:~$

                  Some trackpad guesters and slightly less battery life are about the only issues you adjust to when running linux on an MBA.

                  for me, the improved os env benefits out weigh the issues listed above


                  ubutu 12.04 on MacBookAir4,2 (MBA 2011)
                  Last edited by mr_manny; 08-11-2012, 04:45 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by russofris View Post
                    Why are we blaming Apple and Sony for the kernel's inability to deal with mobile implementations of Ivy bridge? Why are we even placing blame to begin with. Install linux (or try), file bugs, fix bugs, linux works. This is our SDLC. It seems like every time an OEM/HAR/VAR releases a new product, people bitch and moan as if they have committed some great injustice.

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                    because its the same when we would talk here about windows, if sony would sell a notebook lets say with no os or with windows installed, and the windows drivers that are needed would not be working would we blame microsoft? No we would blame Sony, so why the hell should we do it differently in Linux? Its even easier to get good support in Linux for developers, because you cannot only write drivers you could improve or write own subsystems if you like and if you produce not total bullshit it will get integrated into linux.

                    Its that easy... so if the manufactorers dont support linux, there is no way the community could create a really good driver for it. At least for stuff thats more complex lets say a grafics driver. But ok the problems here could be more easily fixed I guess, but again when the companies do not the work it will take longer, so blame them shame them...

                    I will not hear somebody bitching about how bad linux is like I do all the time, when in 99% of the time hardware-developers are the problem-generators...

                    And then this Title if it would be only about sony ( I cant stand that company not too...) but apple? what the hell, they even produced explizitly pc-and-linux-incompatible computers so that nobody could install windows or linux, they even suid people who tried to sell their hardware. So they are big enemys of freedom, they patent each nose booger so that nobody can build tablets at all and stuff... they are even worse than microsoft and thats hard to do... so if linux dont work on machines from this company I think thats a linux-feature.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                      because its the same when we would talk here about windows
                      I believe that you might be lost. Let's begin again. Since we cannot force Sony and Apple to bundle linux, your plan is to:

                      1: Litigate?
                      2: Start a company, build better hardware, bundle Ubuntu, sell it?
                      3: Buy a laptop from $OEM, install linux, figure out what doesn't work, file bugs, fix some code, wait for next kernel release?
                      4: B&M on Phoronix's forums under the guise of "promoting linux"?
                      5: All of the above?

                      If you have something that we're missing, I'm all ears. What you're doing (the blame game) isn't helping to promote linux. Truth be told, you're probably doing more harm than good.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by russofris View Post
                        I believe that you might be lost. Let's begin again. Since we cannot force Sony and Apple to bundle linux, your plan is to:

                        1: Litigate?
                        2: Start a company, build better hardware, bundle Ubuntu, sell it?
                        3: Buy a laptop from $OEM, install linux, figure out what doesn't work, file bugs, fix some code, wait for next kernel release?
                        4: B&M on Phoronix's forums under the guise of "promoting linux"?
                        5: All of the above?

                        If you have something that we're missing, I'm all ears. What you're doing (the blame game) isn't helping to promote linux. Truth be told, you're probably doing more harm than good.

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                        who talked about bundleling, I said they should support linux, why should they bundle it for that?

                        To:

                        1. suing? no why?
                        2. I thought about something like that but thats another story, no just find out which laptop company gives best linux support and promote them for that and warn anybody to buy not hardware from other vendors if they want to use linux.
                        3. driver issues I will not report mostly because they should work if the companys did there work, and I try to only buy hardware with good linux support but because there are no good sites that tracks that that sucks. building such site would be good.
                        4. hmm thats a stupid question because I did it the question is just unnessacary because it seems that I think its a good idea, else I would not have done it.
                        its not my part to promote linux, I say, just dont switch around the world for linux, if a vendor gives no good windows support, the vendor sucks not windows, so if the vendor gives no or bad linux drivers that vendor sucks... thats all I am saying, and if a vendor gives bad hardware support, warn people that this company sucks. (for linux users).

                        If some random noob comes to this site, he reads linux does not support apple well, instead of apple does not support linux well... they then think, linux devs did a lousy job... whats not true. If you really not want to blame apple or sony, at least mention that linux devs did a very good job without support of the companies to get it in this state and then you can say it does not work well and if they are so nice to fix it, even if they dont get money and support for that.

                        If you can definatly say thats only a intel-driver problem go one blame intel... so why is there no big problem with my lenovo thinkpad? I agree what they are doing is also not perfekt support for linux, but it seems they do a better job so buy such software and if thats normal that apple dont care about how it works under linux, stop buying that shit.

                        Linux is in the long run more important for such companies than a few of this oems/... for linux. Thats how competition works, you give better support for linux more linuxer buy your stuff you get no good support nearly no linux-users buy your stuff... if that dont work because some people try to fix the support for them... they will not change their behavier.

                        Its a bit the same with the nouvou drivers, I cannot forbit them to develop their stuff and at the moment the driver is way behind of the radeon driver, but if they would work like monsters and make the driver better or at the same quality speed than the radeon have, next thing happens if amd does stuff logicaly is to stopp paying people for developing opensource drivers, because they see you can get that for free other people make whats your job is....

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                        • #13
                          So...to summarize this entire thread 'minor bugs in support for very new hardware, THE SKY IS FALLING'?

                          There's nothing at all new about any of this. When extremely new hardware comes out from _any_ vendor there's usually some quirks in the Linux support. Early adopters report this, and they get fixed.

                          When I got the 2010 Vaio Z soon after it came out, the video didn't work at all with either adapter without the proprietary NVIDIA driver, the sound didn't work, and the keyboard failed to work on one boot out of ten. And probably some other stuff I've forgotten. A couple months later, all of these were fixed. It's the same story with Apples. It's nothing remotely new. I would be amazed if most of these issues aren't fixed in a few weeks.

                          One specific note: talking about the Z, 'the storage requires using fake RAID' isn't quite the best summary. More accurate is just 'the system uses fake RAID out of the box' - (most) Zs have two SSDs inside, which are by default configured as BIOS RAID-0 for increased performance. But they're just disks, and the BIOS works like any other - you can reformat 'em as BIOS RAID-1 if you like, or switch them to regular mode and use them as separate disks or use kernel softRAID if you like (this is what the blog post author did). It's just how the stock config happens to be.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by russofris View Post
                            Why are we blaming Apple and Sony for the kernel's inability to deal with mobile implementations of Ivy bridge? Why are we even placing blame to begin with. Install linux (or try), file bugs, fix bugs, linux works. This is our SDLC. It seems like every time an OEM/HAR/VAR releases a new product, people bitch and moan as if they have committed some great injustice.

                            Everyone stop B&M. We have cool new tech to play with. This is exciting. This is fun.

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                            Because article sucks. Try running os x on something different than apple's hardware and you'll run into troubles.

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                            • #15
                              God take ***** and every prick who uses it.

                              Or in Arabic: Every dog has its day.

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