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  • #46
    I don't hate anybody, I like phoronix in general, I only was trying to make constructive criticism. I don't like reading "unfinished" news, that's my point.
    Last edited by Jimbo; 06-26-2011, 02:42 PM.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
      I don't hate anybody, I like phoronix in general, I only was trying to make constructive criticism. I don't like reading "unfinished" news, that's my point.
      just tell me what is wrong in calling for free beer or money?

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      • #48
        P.S. can anyone not running Ubuntu on Linux 2.6.38+ that thinks they're affected by the power regression paste their dmesg output?
        Michael Larabel
        http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Jimbo View Post
          I don't hate anybody, I like phoronix in general, I only was trying to make constructive criticism. I don't like reading "unfinished" news, that's my point.
          I have the impression that more than maximising ad revenue, we get these "unfinished power reg news" because Michael is just too damn excited to keep quiet about it.

          Besides, delaying saturday's findings til monday seems ok and appropriate to me. Especially if the wait time is also used to make some more tests and contact experts.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by not.sure View Post
            we get these "unfinished power reg news" because Michael is just too damn excited to keep quiet about it.
            Not exactly, there's better things in the world to get excited about than power regression brief updates... Frequent status updates are more because I still need to keep a fresh set of items on Phoronix so I must keep producing content while working on tests that take extended periods of time... and due to limited staff (basically PTS and I), that means I must keep writing.
            Michael Larabel
            http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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            • #51
              Originally posted by RealNC View Post
              You might want to investigate LWN.net, where you're not allowed to read articles for a week unless you paid for a subscription. The trick is to find out why people are willing to do that with LWN but not with Phoronix. Hint: sensationalism does not fly very well when your readers are mostly hackers and power users.
              I think this is a really excellent point.

              It would be very interesting to see some subscriber and revenue numbers from LWN and Phoronix. I doubt we'll ever see that though.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Michael View Post
                so I must keep producing content while working on tests that take extended periods of time... and due to limited staff (basically PTS and I), that means I must keep writing.
                Are you sure this is the correct thing to do? Maybe writing a more detailed article every 2-3 days is an option too? Complementing that with software (changelogs) news like wine new version or gnome new version...

                I would love to see a more technical article about btrfs or kernel new features for example, or an interview with a developer.

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                • #53
                  Additionally, hell yes, to maximize traffic and ad revenues off of this work due to the amount of time and resources I've spent tracking down these Linux kernel power bugs and other problems on top of my already maxed workload; no organization has yet stepped up to sponsor this continued work or any PTS-powered continuous integration on the kernel.
                  Just for you I clicked the Autodesk and Microsoft Dynamics ads since they are most Linux-friendly ones I saw.

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                  • #54
                    Impressive work!

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                      dude you just don't get my point
                      That's because you talk in riddles Try writing in your native language and then translate with babelfish, maybe then people will understand you.

                      Das ist, weil du in Rätseln zu sprechen Versuchen Sie, in Ihrer Muttersprache und dann übersetzen mit babelfish, vielleicht dann werden die Menschen verstehen.

                      no its not wrong to call for money ! means you are wrong!

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by mattst88 View Post
                        You might want to investigate LWN.net, where you're not allowed to read articles for a week unless you paid for a subscription. The trick is to find out why people are willing to do that with LWN but not with Phoronix. Hint: sensationalism does not fly very well when your readers are mostly hackers and power users.
                        I think this is a really excellent point.

                        It would be very interesting to see some subscriber and revenue numbers from LWN and Phoronix. I doubt we'll ever see that though.
                        i still wonder why people bitch and nag (RealNC a prime example) and don't just erase the phoronix bookmark

                        its not forced on you i think

                        also constructive criticism is fundamentally different than nagging

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by mattst88 View Post
                          It would be very interesting to see some subscriber and revenue numbers from LWN and Phoronix. I doubt we'll ever see that though.
                          I will release Phoronix Premium subscriber numbers and at the moment it's only around 200, which is quite low in relation to everything else.
                          Michael Larabel
                          http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                            i'm sure Microsoft lose the battle only because of this kind of regression testing.
                            Microsoft's regression testing (and testing in general) is ridiculously well done compared to anything the Linux community has managed so far. They have entire teams of top-paid SDETs whose sole job is to design, build, and conduct tests with tools that are significantly more powerful than anything the FOSS community has available yet. There's a reason you don't see a lot of people complaining that something like Win7 SP1 screwed up their computers while it seems that every 6 months the Linux distros manage to fuck up something that worked in their previous release just fine despite hoards of testers (and their many eyes) using the distro's pre-release repos. MS has a very impressive and professional process; it's something to be emulated, not panned.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by elanthis View Post
                              Microsoft's regression testing (and testing in general) is ridiculously well done compared to anything the Linux community has managed so far. (...) There's a reason you don't see a lot of people complaining that something like Win7 SP1 screwed up their computers.
                              Whoehaha! Are you trolling or what?

                              Win7 64bit SP1 screwed my CS4 bridge http://forums.adobe.com/message/3575134
                              Windows 7 SP1 Screwed up my PC!!!! http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...7-166f6b0152da
                              Windows 7 SP1 screwed my media pc. Blue screen every hour now http://amplicate.com/hate/sp1
                              Am I screwed having just tried to install SP1 for Windows 7 http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...0131709AAUhHUx
                              My Windows 7 SP1 installation nightmare! http://www.w7forums.com/my-windows-7...re-t10303.html
                              Service Pack 1 has screwed up Windows 7. Help! http://forum.notebookreview.com/wind...ws-7-help.html
                              And this is just the tip of the iceberg. I could spam this forum for years with links to people complaining about problems they have with Windows 7.

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                              • #60
                                I find it interesting how Michael asks for a little help, then everyone ignores him and bitches.

                                Here's the dmesg output you requested. Arch Linux, 2.6.39.1 with ck and bfq patches.

                                http://pastebin.com/XkdKjGHh

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