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  • #46
    Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
    That is because Qt and KDE make a concerted effort to work well under Gnome, while Gnome does not make such an effort to work well under KDE.
    Well, at least they are not trying to kill KDE anymore, or claim that it is the work of satan.

    See how far we've come since the early days?

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    • #47
      Originally posted by kazetsukai View Post
      KDE 3.5 and lower the Gnome trolls had 'Performance", "License" and "Software bloat" against KDE- in 4.3+, they've really got nothing. In a technical sense, KDE4 more or less has Gnome beat to a pulp.
      Guis are not about having more features, its also the look and feel and thats not only themes, thats how as example the buttons are sorted how big the buttons are... maybe also better default themes, we see on this discussion that much people do nearly hate gnome3.0 although its more powerful more advanced but they like their old buttons and panels and ... to staticly order their environment...

      In my opinion that is stupid small thinking like the world was always a disk, so it had to be a disk always if I give you a telescope you wont look through it or if the colour of the telescope has the wrong colour you deny it because of this.

      So yes maybe most here have looked it and did not instantly like it, so open a bit your mind, its a huge step forward, small edges will get round soon but if you wanna make new furniture by planing there falling away chippings. (another german saying ^^)

      And if you dont like it dont flame about it and get used to it fork it or use something other. You canīt blackmail the developers to make all your wishes send them money or ask if they do what you want for paying, they maybe are open to it then.

      Opensource is no musical request programme.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
        So please can you enligethen me, does kde give you the choice or freedom to not have cancel buttons or do you just want cancel buttons not the freedon of choice that you claim?
        Wait what? You are trying to argue that KDE doesn't give users options, and the best example you can come up with is having "cancel" buttons? Does gnome give you the choice to enable or disable cancel buttons?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
          Wait what? You are trying to argue that KDE doesn't give users options, and the best example you can come up with is having "cancel" buttons? Does gnome give you the choice to enable or disable cancel buttons?
          I was only going into the argument that peppepz brought up against gnome. So I bring nothing up, he did and I argued against it.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
            I was only going into the argument that peppepz brought up against gnome. So I bring nothing up, he did and I argued against it.
            You are right, my apologizes.

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            • #51
              the carrots cry

              Gnome 3 is shaping up to be a real joke. Let's wait and see what other brilliant ideas the team churns out before the final release.

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              • #52
                I think that is the final straw for me

                Thats it, I am back to KDE.

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                • #53
                  But on the other hand there is a option to change it so whats the problem, to user-infriendly? yes maybe but donīt make a to big thing of it
                  The viewpoint of more options for the user being "user unfriendly" accurately sums up the state of Gnome.

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                  • #54
                    Damn, I hate it when they try to push their own ideas or preferences to others. If they have a certain point of view (that suspending would be better than blanking the screen), just make it default but at least leave the option to change it in a user-friendly manner.

                    Gnome has always been the DE of my choice and there are a lot of things I'm looking forward to in Gnome 3, but just don't do this. Linux is all about choice, don't forget that.

                    For me personally it won't bother me too much since I'm firing up gconf-settings every time right-away after a fresh installation to change some visual stuff and hide things from the desktop etc, but think about average users.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by dekomote View Post
                      It's too glassy/glossy. It's slow with effects on. I am using FOSS radeon driver on ATI 4650 .37 kernel, and it's terribly slow. They are overdoing it with the K. The menu is useless. The plasmoids and the widgets and stuff like that are simply too MUCH! I am a coder and as much as I like the DE to be minimal, I don't want poor file managers and I want some advanced eye-candy. I use Gnome since the first day KDE4 came out and I'm satisfied. Themes look good, it's simple and beautiful. Also, QT apps in Gnome look good. Gtk apps in KDE look bad.
                      I hear ya and have been suffering from the same slowness in KDE. I hate waiting for my computer.

                      The key tweak for me to cope with KDE is to go to Style->Fine tuning and set "High display resolution and low CPU" even though I have a fairly fast dual-core CPU in my laptop. The low CPU thing turns off annoying mouse-over animations in Dolphin and such and makes the GUI much more responsive on this machine (also with an ATI card). The K menu can be easily toggled to a classic menu layout for that matter.

                      I've been switching back and forth between Gnome 2, Gnome 3 and KDE for some time now and while I think that Gnome is more elegant, have more reasonable defaults and better configuration utilities, I miss the power of many KDE applications while away from that DE. Apps like Kwin, Kate, Dolphin, Kmail and Okular are excellent and IMHO better than their Gnome siblings.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by korpenkraxar View Post
                        ...I miss the power of many KDE applications while away from that DE. Apps like Kwin, Kate, Dolphin, Kmail and Okular are excellent and IMHO better than their Gnome siblings.
                        Yeah, dolphin is way better than Nautilus. How can they omit history in the address bar in Nautilus i can never comprehend.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by korpenkraxar View Post
                          I hear ya and have been suffering from the same slowness in KDE. I hate waiting for my computer.

                          The key tweak for me to cope with KDE is to go to Style->Fine tuning and set "High display resolution and low CPU" even though I have a fairly fast dual-core CPU in my laptop. The low CPU thing turns off annoying mouse-over animations in Dolphin and such and makes the GUI much more responsive on this machine (also with an ATI card). The K menu can be easily toggled to a classic menu layout for that matter.
                          Well then. Blame ATI for their non-existent support for Linux. I have a crappy Pentium dual core laptop with intel GMA X4500 graphics and KDE4 couldn't be smoother. I actually installed Xubuntu at first thinking KDE4 will be too much for the crappy "video card". But then I gave KDE4 a chance and never looked back.

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                          • #58
                            Cant get more than 30 fps on sauer on KDE for some reason, games performance on KDE was the main reason i couldnt use it. Gnome with or without a load of compiz owned it

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                            • #59
                              Gnome, the Linux joke.

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                              • #60
                                I've used Gnome as my primary desktop for far longer than it's been reasonable to do so (started switching from Afterstep in '98 or so, building pre-1.0 releases). I've dabbled with other environments, particularly KDE, but kept coming back to Gnome.

                                But: if I end up stuck with a desktop environment that doesn't permit me to manually override whatever suspend behavior the authors think is correct, I'm done. A gconf toggle will be a passable option, but be damned if that won't be inconvenient.

                                I really don't care about their long-term vision of the whole stack cooperating at this point; I used to be fine with hacking away at my environment for weeks to get things set up just the way I want them, but that time has passed. Today, I just need to get work done, in the least inconvenient way possible.

                                Suspend is a very sore point for most people, for good reason; I sincerely hope they don't screw this up.

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