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  • #46
    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    I buy a lottery ticket every week with this in mind.
    Same here, actually. I'd consider it an investment in the future- because I DO agree with you that this isn't working as well as anyone had hoped and that the way you're talking to is going to have better results in the long-term, even if they're somewhat pricey in the short term.

    Unless Steam/Source pans out well (I think it will for everyone...but you just don't know...) or the Pandora does as well or better than the community over at OpenPandora is hoping for, we're stuck with the other way- the way things currently are.

    Griping about it and not coming up with either option 1 or 3 that I mention isn't going to be helpful in the slightest and is contributing to the problem in the whole.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
      Same here, actually. I'd consider it an investment in the future- because I DO agree with you that this isn't working as well as anyone had hoped and that the way you're talking to is going to have better results in the long-term, even if they're somewhat pricey in the short term.

      Unless Steam/Source pans out well (I think it will for everyone...but you just don't know...) or the Pandora does as well or better than the community over at OpenPandora is hoping for, we're stuck with the other way- the way things currently are.

      Griping about it and not coming up with either option 1 or 3 that I mention isn't going to be helpful in the slightest and is contributing to the problem in the whole.
      Meh, maybe just get LPG on Nasdaq

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      • #48
        Originally posted by deanjo View Post
        Meh, maybe just get LPG on Nasdaq
        Riight... You want us to be effed up like the rest of the publicly traded companies out there. Niice...

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
          They're not bad game choices- they're only bad in YOUR opinion.
          that's what i said

          Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
          Moreover, you're lucky that WINE even runs it.

          WINE's a band-aid, not an answer, no matter what you say.
          i did not say it's an answer, but until ( if ever ) the Linux binary appears it the only way ( no matter what i or you think it's better )

          Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
          You.
          Are.
          Part.
          Of.
          The.
          Problem.

          Each title you buy under WINDOWS, I don't care what you run it under, is a vote to continue to have vendors make only titles for Windows.
          so i should only play NWN/Nethack/ADOM/and other that have Linux binaries, forever?? ( imho those are fine games, but one wants more/diferent after a while )

          Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
          If you don't want to play Sacred, fine, voice your opinion as such and go on (which I'm supposing you're doing...)- but do NOT keep whining about there NOT being any Linux titles.
          where did i whine? please quote the part of me whining

          Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
          The studios and publishers do NOT care how many users there are out there for a given OS- they only care about what is currently selling. When you buy a Windows title, that's what got sold- no more, no less.
          but by not buying the game what guarantees do game devs/publishers have that a Linux port is even viable??? ( viable means that enough copies are sold so that the porting costs are atleast covered )

          Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
          When you buy the Witcher, you're sending Atari the message that it's "okay" to keep making Windows versions and that it was "okay" for them to pull the plug (Which is what happened there...) on the planned Linux version of the same. Personally, I don't care how GOOD the title is- if they're going to do things like that I don't want to play it at all. You shouldn't either because you're encouraging them to snub you in this manner. Honest.
          i agree
          look what i did:
          -i signed the petition back when the Linux port ( that wasn't even officialy announced anyway, it was only presumed because of the Aurora engine used ) was "dropped";
          -i bought the game,
          -i played the game in Linux+WINE,
          -i did what i could using the official forum to, atleast, get the attention of users/mods/devs about the Linux issue [ The Witcher on Linux: info, more info, city vid, combat vid ] ( Licaon_Kter is my nick there BTW)
          what did you do about this or any other game that you wanted to play under your OS of choice?

          Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
          Without numbers, they'll just keep doing this stuff. It continues to amaze me that people will just keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result each and every time they do it- and I'm NOT referring to the studios here.
          talking about numbers, in what statistic does the "voting with your wallet" ( by not buying the game until it has a Linux version) appears? who counts the lost sales here? who roams the Linux forums to read about sad linux users that would buy the game if a linux binary is available?

          Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
          And if you think these are bad decisions, it's not because they're bad, it's because these are the only titles where the studios will give LGP, Runesoft, etc. the time of day and ask for doable royalty structures.
          i respect what LGP does, and i wish to repay their work with $/euros; but i'll do that when a game that i like will be ported, sorry

          Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
          Bitching about this in the forums like you have doing and in the faces of the people trying to make a difference and in the faces of the studios you're needing to convince WILL NOT FIX THE PROBLEM. It will only make it worse.
          this also aplies to you too, remember

          anyway do remember that we are both on the same side of the fence by posting here, try to redirect your argument against those how have the power to do something and do not know all these, i know about all these issues, i've posted all these issues on several gaming forums hoping that someone somewhere hears/reads my concerns and acts upon them

          mmmkay?
          Last edited by Licaon; 05-21-2008, 05:17 PM.

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          • #50
            I think Svartalf is responding in a general direction, not to a single response and I have the same sentiments. People whine here about it and in my opinion, that does no good at all. I also think that we do not know the big picture of what goes on behind the scenes. Sacred could be the first of many more titles being ported into Linux from that development studio. Instead of seeing it as an opportunity, people berate LGP for even bothering to get it. Let's not be so harsh on them.

            I see Svartalf's point on not being interested in Windows games as similar as if I own a PS3 and a Xbox 360 exclusive comes along the way, I don't care what it is. I'm not buying an Xbox 360 for it. You have the money to burn, go ahead.

            I do suppose, at the end of the day, it's your money and your say. Do what you will with it, but the industry numbers going back to the big publishers do not change as long as everyone attempts to buy a Windows copy and tries to run it on Linux. It runs on Wine, enjoy it on Wine if you want. But when all is said and done, it's still a Windows tally going back. I was *this* close to succumbing to Witcher for Windows because I like what I see thus far. Knowing they shafted the Linux version leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Licaon View Post
              what did you do about this or any other game that you wanted to play under your OS of choice?
              He has helped port titles to linux? >.>

              I think Svartalf is responding in a general direction, not to a single response and I have the same sentiments. People whine here about it and in my opinion, that does no good at all. I also think that we do not know the big picture of what goes on behind the scenes. Sacred could be the first of many more titles being ported into Linux from that development studio. Instead of seeing it as an opportunity, people berate LGP for even bothering to get it. Let's not be so harsh on them.
              I assumed that LGP were porting Sacred to build up Ascaron's confidences to let them touch more popular titles because from what I've seen porting companies tend to start small with each developer then work their way up to better titles as they prove that it's profitable.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by niniendowarrior View Post
                Sacred could be the first of many more titles being ported into Linux from that development studio. Instead of seeing it as an opportunity, people berate LGP for even bothering to get it. Let's not be so harsh on them.
                that's a fair view, but that won't make Sacred or Sacred 2/3/4/etc a good/better game at least not in my view

                Originally posted by niniendowarrior View Post
                Do what you will with it, but the industry numbers going back to the big publishers do not change as long as everyone attempts to buy a Windows copy and tries to run it on Linux.
                so what can we do? how can we make them "feel" that they lost a sale? (cause whining here posting more of these won't change nothing )

                Originally posted by niniendowarrior View Post
                It runs on Wine, enjoy it on Wine if you want. But when all is said and done, it's still a Windows tally going back. I was *this* close to succumbing to Witcher for Windows because I like what I see thus far. Knowing they shafted the Linux version leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
                yes, and is this better that playing it bad in WINE? How else if not buying the game can we make the publishers/devs understand that THERE IS a market in Linux gaming?

                this was what i did, i bought the game, registered to their forum (where you can register your game and have a GAME OWNER tag, like on the BioWare forum AFAIK), and started posting about running it on Linux and stuff; it's not much but i feel it's better than some petition on some site, IMHO

                having 10-20 users, registered on their forum, barring GAME OWNER tags, saying that it runs bad in WINE and a native version would be needed, would make a bigger impact, IMHO, than 1000 users that just signed that petition; 1000 promised sales equal 0$ for any dev

                Originally posted by Aradreth View Post
                He has helped port titles to Linux? >.>
                Great then!!! hooray for him... which titles?

                Originally posted by Aradreth View Post
                I assumed that LGP were porting Sacred to build up Ascaron's confidences to let them touch more popular titles because from what I've seen porting companies tend to start small with each developer then work their way up to better titles as they prove that it's profitable.
                ok i do understand, but game that won't sell that good because of their gameplay will not help get better titles, but create more problems regarding profitability

                this is the chicken and egg issue: devs will port better titles if these not-so-better titles sell; users won't buy not-so-better titles; devs can't port better games so they go and port more not-so-better titles and hope that will port better titles if these not-so-better titles sell...and so on and so forth...

                this makes me truly sad

                the thing that leaves a bad taste in _my_ mouth is summarized in the second line af my first post:
                Originally posted by Licaon View Post
                too bad that the good intentions of linuxgamepublishing meet these bad game choices
                Last edited by Licaon; 05-21-2008, 07:21 PM.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Licaon View Post
                  Great then!!! hooray for him... which titles?
                  I believe Svartalf helps out at LGP once in a while (or full time? I'm not quite sure) and sometimes gets in contact with developers to see if they will let there title be ported for a reasonable sum.

                  Edit: it's not full time, look at post 21 in this very thread. (knew I had seen it somewhere)
                  Last edited by Aradreth; 05-21-2008, 07:16 PM.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Licaon View Post
                    that's a fair view, but that won't make Sacred or Sacred 2/3/4/etc a good/better game at least not in my view
                    Nobody is saying you should say it's a great game. You views on it, is yours.


                    Originally posted by Licaon View Post
                    so what can we do? how can we make them "feel" that they lost a sale? (cause whining here posting more of these won't change nothing )
                    In my opinion, this isn't very straightforward to answer, otherwise it would have been solved already. Svartalf's policy is that if there's no Linux version, he doesn't buy it, and I can see how that helps. I just think the after-effects are not felt.

                    Originally posted by Licaon View Post
                    yes, and is this better that playing it bad in WINE? How else if not buying the game can we make the publishers/devs understand that THERE IS a market in Linux gaming?

                    this was what i did, i bought the game, registered to their forum (where you can register your game and have a GAME OWNER tag, like on the BioWare forum AFAIK), and started posting about running it on Linux and stuff; it's not much but i feel it's better than some petition on some site, IMHO

                    having 10-20 users, registered on their forum, barring GAME OWNER tags, saying that it runs bad in WINE and a native version would be needed, would make a bigger impact, IMHO, than 1000 users that just signed that petition; 1000 promised sales equal 0$ for any dev
                    The huuuuge thread in the Bioware forum on Dragon Age for Linux is a good read. Developers can port on Linux. They can if they wanted to. They cannot because the publishers don't want them to. I saw a lot of your Linux-related posts on the Witcher forum and I admire the effort you put into it. But, as far as letting them know there's a Linux market to cater, you are barking up on the wrong tree. It again, boils down to the publisher seeing it. The long petition thread on Atari on NWN 2 only got a Mac port, but it took them that long to even think about a Mac port.

                    Originally posted by Licaon View Post
                    Great then!!! hooray for him... which titles?
                    You'd have to ask him, but I know his latest one on the plate is Bandits Phoronix Rising (Sorry, Michael, I just had to pull that one out again. )

                    Originally posted by Licaon View Post
                    ok i do understand, but game that won't sell that good because of their gameplay will not help get better titles, but create more problems regarding profitability

                    this is the chicken and egg issue: devs will port better titles if these not-so-better titles sell; users won't buy not-so-better titles; devs can't port better games so they go and port more not-so-better titles and hope that will port better titles if these not-so-better titles sell...and so on and so forth...

                    this makes me truly sad

                    the thing that leaves a bad taste in _my_ mouth is summarized in the second line af my first post:
                    Welcome to the club. If the problem was easy to solve, it would have been done already.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by niniendowarrior View Post
                      The huuuuge thread in the Bioware forum on Dragon Age for Linux is a good read. Developers can port on Linux. They can if they wanted to. They cannot because the publishers don't want them to.
                      Gotta link? The only thing I found there was Scott Meadows reply "We have not announced anything about system requirements yet. Stay Tuned." on the 27th of last month, when asked about a linux client. Of course, as usual, I'm not holding my breath.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                        Gotta link? The only thing I found there was Scott Meadows reply "We have not announced anything about system requirements yet. Stay Tuned." on the 27th of last month, when asked about a linux client. Of course, as usual, I'm not holding my breath.
                        Not readily. There's been like a good number of closed threads on that one on the Bioware forum due to excessive length.

                        Officially, that's Bioware's response. I think inside those Linux threads on Dragon Age, they say they aren't Anti-Linux. It's just not their call. Svartalf knows about it, I'd think... he was also there in the battles.

                        I don't have time to go grave digging on the Bioware forums though, my apologies. So I don't have a link to show you.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by niniendowarrior View Post
                          Not readily. There's been like a good number of closed threads on that one on the Bioware forum due to excessive length.

                          Officially, that's Bioware's response. I think inside those Linux threads on Dragon Age, they say they aren't Anti-Linux. It's just not their call. Svartalf knows about it, I'd think... he was also there in the battles.

                          I don't have time to go grave digging on the Bioware forums though, my apologies. So I don't have a link to show you.
                          I think these are the threads you mean.

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                          • #58
                            Yup. That looks to be the threads. I'll try to find the posts that talk about that.

                            *Side comment*
                            Pardon me Aradeth, but everytime I see your name, I always see it as Aribeth. *still recovering from Aribeth's betrayal*

                            EDIT:
                            After plowing through 20+ pages of Svartalf vs Stanley Woo, I am starting to think, what I read was a NWN2 Linux request topic by a mod. After all, they did say not to post on their forums about it and to do it at Atari. Sorry for the misinformation, but it's still quite a good read.
                            Last edited by niniendowarrior; 05-22-2008, 08:38 AM.

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                            • #59
                              @Michael: since Phoronix and LGP are so close, wouldn't a poll be useful to them? like the one Novell did a few years ago about "the most wanted Windows application missing in Linux" about AutoCAD/PhoteShop and etc BUT the poll will be about games, about what games do we (linux game buyers and players) want to be ported

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Licaon View Post
                                @Michael: since Phoronix and LGP are so close, wouldn't a poll be useful to them? like the one Novell did a few years ago about "the most wanted Windows application missing in Linux" about AutoCAD/PhoteShop and etc BUT the poll will be about games, about what games do we (linux game buyers and players) want to be ported
                                That would be pretty pointless seeing as LGP can only port a game if the windows publisher/the developers don't want an idiotic sum of money up front or are even willing to talk. The games I guess you want on that list are probably AAA titles which at this point in time have no hope in hell of being ported by LGP.

                                Pardon me Aradeth, but everytime I see your name, I always see it as Aribeth. *still recovering from Aribeth's betrayal*
                                Pfff worth it just to make her a blackguard when you run into her in hell later

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