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  • #16
    Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
    Much prefer the original design they promoted. This one with no LCD and old style 2 x 4 button diamond array, I would NOT purchase.

    Do they really understand the importance of standards? If they release hicklety pickle standards then gamers will not be measured between each other for talent as it will come down to what controllers they have.
    They have been very clear from the start that they plan to treat their hardware like software - with frequent updates to match what consumer feedback requests.

    You may as well complain that they let people buy different steam boxes and some of them will be faster than others.

    That's what they view as their strength, not a weakness. You should stick with the playstation or xbox if you feel differently.

    This design still has the 2 trackpads to provide mouse support, which is what was original about it anyway. Who cares about some LCD?
    Last edited by smitty3268; 03-15-2014, 07:39 PM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
      Who cares about some LCD?
      The thing is it was a touchscreen. So it could emulate buttons (like the ones on this prototype), a trackpad, a keyboard, show in-game stats, ...

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      • #18
        Damn edit limit...
        Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
        to match what consumer feedback requests.
        They did never produce the ones with the touchscreen, only some with 4(?) buttons instead. So there never was customer feedback for this.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
          ...This design still has the 2 trackpads to provide mouse support, which is what was original about it anyway. Who cares about some LCD?
          The innovative thing was the trackpads could be used for button style too, depending on Game-Developers thinking beyond the square. Example think about how you could play Street Fighter in the original controller, it would put more emphasis on natural flow! With the changed design, it simply become a schizophrenic controller with literal buttons pushing aside the new innovative pads, crazy.

          The LCD also playing into the course of heads-up at the player's hand. Similar to WiiU controller (yeah I know it wasn't popular a console.) LCD's are dirt cheap at the size originally shown.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by log0 View Post
            I don't get this whole controller thing tbh. They are using off-the-shelf parts for hardware and software, could also go with XBOX or PS controller derivatives. Wasting time on their own controller seems like some pointless marketing/signature idea.
            In a nutshell they wanted a controller that would map well to a keyboard and mouse so that the many games on Steam that don't support controllers could be played in the living room from the couch. There is a fairly in depth video on the development process here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfN5...KFtqR9TeZWMPjm

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            • #21
              Imagine Steve Ballmer working at Apple and arguing the that iPad needs more buttons. This is similar to the direction Value has gone with the Steambox Controller. Started impressive and innovative, now they're pushing in the buttons. CRAZY.

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              • #22
                They needed an input device that could replace a mouse/keyboard combination. The touchpads were meant to do exactly that.

                Turns out they also need an input device that can replace a gamepad. So buttons it is.


                The touchscreen wasn't innovative, it was a gimmick. Little screens on gamepads have been done before (dreamcast, anyone?), and they never worked out. If you need to pass information to the player, use a HUD.

                But you can partition the touchscreen to emulate buttons, right? Nope. Only in theory. The touchscreen has no tactile feedback. If you think you can consistently hit a 5mm sized button without feeling where it is, you're wrong. Unlike a phone or tablet, you're not looking at the controller, you're looking at your TV. To support all the existing games with gamepad support, you need a proper gamepad, not a touchscreen gimmick.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by rohcQaH View Post
                  Turns out they also need an input device that can replace a gamepad. So buttons it is.
                  I don't agree. It's a Steve Ballmer moment.

                  With the sense pads and the LCD touch screen they could do all. The buttons are simply ignorance moving in.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
                    With the sense pads and the LCD touch screen they could do all. The buttons are simply ignorance moving in.
                    Buttons will be a lot better if you're playing games using oculus rift because you won't be able to look at the touchscreen.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Maxjen View Post
                      Buttons will be a lot better if you're playing games using oculus rift because you won't be able to look at the touchscreen.
                      The point I'm making is that you can simulate buttons with the sense-pads. The touch screen, even though usable and interactive, I wouldn't be expecting games to use it for action buttons in games.

                      Think outside the square. We don't need buttons when we have sense-pads, not to mention there is already buttons that surrounded the corners of the LCD in the original design.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
                          The LCD also playing into the course of heads-up at the player's hand. Similar to WiiU controller (yeah I know it wasn't popular a console.) LCD's are dirt cheap at the size originally shown.
                          A reason the WiiU isn't popular is because of the split viewing having to yank your head back and forth between the big screen and something sitting in your lap. It's really not as useful a paradigm as people might think. As I mentioned earlier there's already 2 touchpads on the controller. Why do you really need a 3rd?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by bnolsen View Post
                            A reason the WiiU isn't popular is because of the split viewing having to yank your head back and forth between the big screen and something sitting in your lap. It's really not as useful a paradigm as people might think. As I mentioned earlier there's already 2 touchpads on the controller. Why do you really need a 3rd?

                            My perspective is that you use the LCD to select controller configurations, and maybe could be used for game interaction if a Game-Developer could make it innovative.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
                              The point I'm making is that you can simulate buttons with the sense-pads. The touch screen, even though usable and interactive, I wouldn't be expecting games to use it for action buttons in games.
                              Ahh, the sense pads are the circles on the side. I thought you meant the buttons should be simulated by the touchscreen. Now your replies seem a lot more logical. So you say the sense pads are superior to regular buttons. I agree that at least for walking around the pad on the left is superior than the directional keys. And it is probably possible for creative game designers to utilize the continuous range of the pads for awesome stuff that isn't possible with traditional buttons.

                              However, I think that in most of the time games will want discrete actions that don't flow into each other and there real buttons just feel better.

                              Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
                              Think outside the square. We don't need buttons when we have sense-pads, not to mention there is already buttons that surrounded the corners of the LCD in the original design.
                              Ye, but four buttons on each side are better than two.

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                              • #30
                                It's hard for us to compare without actually having both controllers in our hands, but I can see the reasoning behind this move. The problem with a touchscreen is that you have to look at it before being able to make the correct click, whereas with hardware buttons you can do that quickly while staring at the TV. I highly doubt the change is to cut costs. The cost of a tiny LCD that is probably not even colored is really low.

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