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  • #16
    Originally posted by elanthis View Post

    Linux in and of itself has no value over Windows for the average user. If you want Linux to take over for gaming, it has to actually be hands-down better than the competition. Not one or two things better, but all around an _obvious_ improvement (coming from many different angles). Otherwise, it's just something different and people in general _really_ don't like change.
    Failing that, the marketing needs to do it, but "Linux" (or even Steam OS) has no real marketing, especially not when competing against the _billions_ that Microsoft or Sony or Apple or Nintendo drop on advertising. Maybe Valve will start a serious marketing push after Steam OS is at 1.0 and commercial Steam Boxes are out, but they're going to have to be prepared to drop a very pretty penny, akin to what Microsoft had to do with the original XBox (which lost them a lot of money, even without the subsidized hardware costs).
    You sir hit the nail on the head. To win you either have to beat the price (I'm not going to pay for a Cisco firewall and will go with an Untangle one) or give the buyer a better value proposition. People are not going to change their life around because Linux has a better NUMA support, the same way Linux server people are not going to invest their time learning BSD just so pf is better than iptables. You have to be all round better AND easier to use.

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    • #17
      Virtually all graphic performance complaints and issues under Linux are linked to AMD/ATI graphics drivers and open source drivers. Very little are from the proprietary Nvidia binary. Graphics stability and performance under the Nvidia blob is 98% identical to the Windows one. Benchmarks after benchmarks and test's after test's have shown and proven this. They work absolutely fantastically.

      Even though Linux Steam usage is still hovering around 1%, at least it's maintained that percentage rather than decline.

      Linux doesn't need to provide necessary better gaming performance over Windows. It has to at least match it and not be worse. There are still other plenty more reasons to use Linux over Windows. Such as it being less acceptable to viruses and malware, not having to worry about a ME, Vista or Windows 8, package manager system, large array of open source software, better overall security, far more customization, and better system performance on older hardware.

      A note on the customization plus is that many gamer's love building their own and customizing their own rig. They would love to be able to do that to Windows, and many try to. Linux not only provides it, but encourages such behavior.

      All Valve has to continue to do is promote the vast benefits of using Linux and continue to encourage and bring more AAA titles over. Without them Windows users wont switch.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by johnc View Post
        I mostly play L4D2 right now and it still crashes on Linux so even though I use Linux as my desktop, I still have to play in Windows.
        I play L4D2 as well, but it works great on my PC with nvidia driver.

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        • #19
          I think the 0,75% of "other" is Linux too.

          Still poor but thats a part of Linux community's blame. The short-sighted actions they do repelling users from trying Linux OS.

          Why?

          Ask any forum which distribution should a newcomer to Linux use and you will get 100 different answers. Why? Because of politics.

          They dont understand that using for first time Ubuntu, Mint or whatever doesn't mean that the user will always use that OS.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Kano View Post
            @kernelOfTruth

            I see no problem playing Serious Sam 3 with my HD 5670 with mesa 10 (i just created a repo that mirrors the packages from steamos) - just ignore the warning you see on start. Also Left 4 Dead 2 works. I did not play MLN yet.
            you're using Kanotix, right ?

            what gcc version is everything compiled with ?


            might be that the hardened toolchain & the -march=native optimization breaks stuff


            the thing is:

            disabling hyper-z helps for the first few minutes but the graphics looks pretty ugly - even in 1920x1080

            then the screen turns black and the monitor turns itself off

            when rebooting via magic sysrq the bios signals that there's an gpu error

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            • #21
              Usage is at 1.85 % when you know how to add up the numbers. That's exactly the same as it ever was.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
                I play L4D2 as well, but it works great on my PC with nvidia driver.
                Yeah but there are a lot of bugs on the github site for nvidia users. I know it's hard to track down every individual's issue, and the one in particular that I'm having is common, but this is the reality that people are dealing with on Linux.

                If you can't play, you can't play. There's nothing more a user can do.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Vash63 View Post
                  How is using a binary graphics driver akin to using an entire OS that not only isn't FLOSS, but also is increasingly controlling of what you are allowed to install on it (Windows Store) and requires you to activate every machine and phone home to MS? I hope some day that Nvidia opens up more of their code, but for right now they're absolutely the best option on Linux, absolute parity with their Windows drivers in terms of performance and no driver related issues in any Steam game I've played (and I have 84 Linux games).
                  If NVIDIA could get away with controlling what you install, require you you to activate the card on every machine and phone home do you think they would do it ?

                  NVIDIA and Microsoft see FOSS as the enemy, AMD at least make noises about being friendly.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by kernelOfTruth View Post

                    the thing is:

                    disabling hyper-z helps for the first few minutes but the graphics looks pretty ugly - even in 1920x1080

                    then the screen turns black and the monitor turns itself off

                    when rebooting via magic sysrq the bios signals that there's an gpu error
                    The newer stack caused GPU hangs for me on 5850, till I manually forced radeon.dpm=1 via kernel cheat. It seems the card is unstable with old reclock method. Maybe worth a check?

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                    • #25
                      The time being I own something like 40 Linux native games on Steam. I've got some issues with kernel 3.12 so I stick to LTS kernel (3.10). I'm running Arch with nVidia drivers and compatibility is not bad at all on LTS kernel. There are some crashes in Metro : Last Light, but nothing preventing me from completing the game twice. Also Shadowrun Returns has some problems on launch. I think using a binary blob or not is not the only concern for Linux gamers, they also want a good, stable OS to run their games. The problem is mainly that Linux ports are not tested enough (which anyway is the case for most PC games nowadays), and that even if developers do care, editors quite frequently don't (and they're those responsible for support - well, they are meant to). Also, we definitely need big franchise ports, not that I want to play CoD or shit like that, but that would bring some cash and attract attention from editors and players alike. So yeah, it's a small beginning, but at the moment, I don't have the messy experience some others have : I'm quite satisfied with Steam on Linux, in fact. They just need to keep things going, and it will attract people. Most certainly it will not make a hundred million people switch, but still.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by brosis View Post
                        The newer stack caused GPU hangs for me on 5850, till I manually forced radeon.dpm=1 via kernel cheat. It seems the card is unstable with old reclock method. Maybe worth a check?
                        dpm is definitely more stable =)

                        but these issue's I'm experiencing are already on forced radeon.dpm=1

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                        • #27
                          The key to Steams success on Linux lies with Valves ability to convince 1st tier game makers to offer a linux port (and in a timely manner). That, and that alone, will determine Steam/SteamOS's ultimate success.

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                          • #28
                            l4d2 player here
                            I also have oilrush, but bought that standalone before trying steam.
                            I have dota2, but havn't played it for more than 10min just to check out the graphics (was the free download).

                            Using fglrx, but mesa 9.2.x works too on another system. I havn't had any crashing/locking up issues ... at all.

                            I'm looking forward to any updates to the l4d franchise or any AAA titles.
                            Apparently i'm not a big gamer like many with 12+ games installed, I tend to play 2 or 3 games every now and then.
                            l4d2 is addicting ...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Soul_keeper View Post
                              l
                              l4d2 is addicting ...
                              Once bitten? ;D

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                              • #30
                                The fact is the gaming scene on Linux is still to be embellished properly with both products and gamers.

                                Most Linux users are tech savvy and probably developers. They aren't 24 hour gamers as such. What is changing though is a flow on effect of parents using Linux and their siblings playing games on the home computer or tablet. Also the market is now underpinned by Linux technologies and that will come to the forefront of users as time progresses.

                                Another consideration is that over the whole gaming scene there isn't any killer networking title. The MMORPG's took over local lans and combat games. MMORPG's have declined though.

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