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  • #16
    Originally posted by tomato View Post
    because ubuntu is still recommended platform for Steam on Linux?
    In continuation to your response; Because Valve's Steam-client + distro-supported GFX driver on a distro that has majority end-user market share (Ubuntu, in case you missed it) which utlimately maximises end-user feedback (VERY objective in my opinion....you could ask your atypical 'blonde' if the bluetooth in her VW is making her a better driver because she can listen to her own music when her friends are listening to MSN Radio...) is a totally differant beast than an environment that is controlled top-to-almost bottom with a Valve-patched kernel, Valve-monitored VGA drivers, Valve hand-controller+driver, Valve-recommended hardware outlining various expectations of SteamOS experience and all running on a LSB (well, that hasn't been proven or dispreven yet ;P I am prone to the occasional sensationalist statement!) that promotes stability AND is in the public forum for full peer review.

    The one thing I haven't checked in on with Valve, is what exactly are they garnering from my personal info. CC details are one thing (eh, just make a maximum daily usage. Up it if you need more, then down it), but yeah, are they Google/FB like. I severely doubt they make any serious money off peoples deets, but I also doubt they aren't collecting SOMETHING. Wish I had time for packet-sniffing training!

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    • #17
      they dont

      Originally posted by Mike Frett View Post
      Now how is this going to effect the system requirements already in place for all steam games (Ubuntu)?. They expect developers to go back and install Debian now, which is a lot harder to use than Ubuntu? .
      Simple they dont want you to install debían they want you to install SteamOS that's why they included Gnome

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Mike Frett View Post
        They expect developers to go back and install Debian now, which is a lot harder to use than Ubuntu?
        Debian is not harder to use than Ubuntu. I would argue that if you don’t install Unity it is actually simpler. Its *installation* is slightly less noob-friendly, but shouldn’t be a problem for a developer.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by dacresbu View Post
          Simple they dont want you to install debían they want you to install SteamOS that's why they included Gnome
          Yeah I don't get why this is confusing people; Maybe calling it SteamOS was a mistake because people are not getting that this is meant to be installed on a device designed entirely for gaming, not to be some desktop distro that contains optimizations for Steam in order to replace the typical distributions. This is not Valve entering the desktop space.

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          • #20
            stupid 5 min edit limit…

            Originally posted by stqn View Post
            Debian is not harder to use than Ubuntu. I would argue that if you don’t install Unity it is actually simpler. Its *installation* is slightly less noob-friendly, but shouldn’t be a problem for a developer.
            Note that I haven’t tried Debian 7’s installer, just Debian 6.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by asdfblah View Post
              I managed to install it in virtualbox (although not completely.. not yet, some repos from valve are throwing a "Forbidden" error) from scratch (by using the debootstrap method: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html ), and it seems that the UEFI problem happens only because valve doesn't this packages in their repos: grub-pc-bin grub-pc. I'm still wondering why they didn't install those too...
              Hey asfblah,

              Could you do me a favor and upload the patched linux sources??? I only ask because i am not a non-debian system and Valve source package for the kernel is fialing to unpack data.tar.gz (which contains the sources) - due to not downloading correctly - it's supposed to be 72.5mb but only 39.5mb ever downloads (and says complete).... But if you have built the sources then you have them unpacked already, so uploading a non-corrupted source package would be of great help! <you could just post a link to it, if you are game>...

              I'd like to do a proper diff, so that i can get a different angle/viewpoint on their linux changes...

              anyway, it would be greatly appreciated, if you have a minute or two to upload them.

              PS: thanks for the other links / info... (that i didn't quote).

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              • #22
                Originally posted by stqn View Post
                stupid 5 min edit limit…



                Note that I haven’t tried Debian 7’s installer, just Debian 6.

                Debian 7 has a friendly gui installer that is no worse than windows 8, and still a huge step above XP; It's easier than anaconda, about the same as ubuntu. the only really hard part is choice the software groups you want to install (although the default setup is pretty good).

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ninez View Post
                  Hey asfblah,

                  Could you do me a favor and upload the patched linux sources??? I only ask because i am not a non-debian system and Valve source package for the kernel is fialing to unpack data.tar.gz (which contains the sources) - due to not downloading correctly - it's supposed to be 72.5mb but only 39.5mb ever downloads (and says complete).... But if you have built the sources then you have them unpacked already, so uploading a non-corrupted source package would be of great help! <you could just post a link to it, if you are game>...

                  I'd like to do a proper diff, so that i can get a different angle/viewpoint on their linux changes...

                  anyway, it would be greatly appreciated, if you have a minute or two to upload them.

                  PS: thanks for the other links / info... (that i didn't quote).
                  I cannot upload it because of my slow connection, but did you try using a download "accelerator" like aria2c or axel? it should "just work"..

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by asdfblah View Post
                    I cannot upload it because of my slow connection, but did you try using a download "accelerator" like aria2c or axel? it should "just work"..
                    No worries, It seems to be working fine for me now (but wouldn't last night or this morning...odd).

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by zeroepoch View Post
                      Is it possible that the Steam Controller is a USB HID device so it wouldn't require any special support from the kernel?
                      Yes, this is currently the case. There isn't a kernel driver specific to the controller.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Plagman View Post
                        Yes, this is currently the case. There isn't a kernel driver specific to the controller.
                        Hey Plagman, is there any plans to make your installer Non-eUFI friendly? It would allow SteamOS to be installed on a lot more hardware that either lack eUFI or have broken eUFI support (I'm looking at you intel 7 series boards).

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                        • #27
                          Just stating this in advance... please let the troll starve.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by tomato View Post
                            because ubuntu is still recommended platform for Steam on Linux?
                            Except SteamOS and Ubuntu with Steam are aiming at different devices (the former for dedicated console-like devices, the latter for desktops). If one or the other proves to be faster, you're not supposed to change anything anyway – you don't install SteamOS on desktops and you don't install Ubuntu with Steam on dedicated devices. Meanwhile benchmarking vanilla Debian vs SteamOS makes sense, because it shows exactly how Valve's changes affect the performance.

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