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  • #16
    Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
    Because some newbies have the idea torrent == virus, is my guess.
    Also, some total suckers might fall for a fake.
    Na, that can't be it. Especially when valve says this release was really only for the "linux hacker".

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    • #17
      Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
      Because some newbies have the idea torrent == virus, is my guess.
      Also, some total suckers might fall for a fake.
      I thought that was a solved problem with the "or, alternatively, you can max out your downstream and help take load off us by using this official torrent" design.

      Either way, what they really should've done is used Metalink's support for transparent HTTP negotiation to serve up a Metalink file to compatible download managers (eg. KGet). (Basically, what Novell does with their OpenSUSE ISO download links.)

      Since Metalink supports listing torrents as mirrors, that can be combined with a web-seeded, trackerless torrent to transparently switch anyone with a compatible download manager over to BitTorrent-backed download. (BurnBit lets anyone easily add this part to their downloads as long as their HTTP server allows resuming.)

      Also, since Metalink files can embed hashes (or even PGP signatures), the download manager can auomatically do hash verification on the resulting file, regardless of what mix of mirrors it was downloaded from.

      With that kind of infrastructure, it's easy to retrofit the hoster's site and it's transparent and automatic improvement for users with compatible download managers:

      1. Initial seeding of the torrent swarm can be done by their usual CDN.
      2. Download managers which support Metalink and BitTorrent will receive a Metalink file, automatically use BitTorrent as a scalable CDN, and verify the hash.
      3. Download managers which just support Metalink will receive a Metalink file, use the HTTP CDN, and verify the hash.
      4. Download managers which don't support Metalink can be served a direct link to the file as usual by using HTTP header-based negotiation.

      For extra reliability, they could also include a Content-MD5 header so that download managers which don't do Metalink still have an option for automatically verifying completed downloads.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by sarmad View Post
        What do you mean by "Gnome is hiding behind Steam"? Are you talking here about the entire Gnome Shell, or just some Gnome packages needed by the Steam client?
        Steam for Linux uses Chromium as web engine. Chromium in turn requires GTK and related libraries, so there is obviously some Gnome stuff.

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        • #19
          And it uses sysvinit, nothing surprising there.

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          • #20
            Does anyone else think Canonical might have asked for Valve to pay licensing fees in order to base SteamOS off Ubuntu, and that this is what led Valve to basing SteamOS off Debian? (look up the recent Linux Mint controversy for reference)

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            • #21
              Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
              Because some newbies have the idea torrent == virus, is my guess.
              Also, some total suckers might fall for a fake.
              People who are that green behind the ears shouldn't attempt to install an OS in the first place though...

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Serge View Post
                Does anyone else think Canonical might have asked for Valve to pay licensing fees in order to base SteamOS off Ubuntu, and that this is what led Valve to basing SteamOS off Debian? (look up the recent Linux Mint controversy for reference)
                Nah, probably they weren't going to use Ubuntu in the first place. If you need milk, go straight to the cow... or something.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by dee. View Post
                  Nah, probably they weren't going to use Ubuntu in the first place. If you need milk, go straight to the cow... or something.
                  nah, it's more like go straight to the producer instead of the store so that you circumvent the store tax. Going to the cow is pretty much the NIH thing

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                  • #24
                    I don't get why they recomend 500GB HDD on one hand and in another they demand 1TB to install SteamOS.

                    Is it related to "mirroring" option that let us recover everything is something goes wrong with instalation ?

                    In that case , i assume that if you try to install SteamOS is a 500GB HDD, it will be "split" in two of 250GB with 2nd 250GB used to mirror and recover the 1st 250GB ?

                    TIA,
                    AJSB

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                    • #25
                      well

                      its a normal linux distro what the point? none

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Andrecorreia View Post
                        its a normal linux distro what the point? none
                        Translation: I'm so butthurt they didn't use Ubuntu!

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                        • #27
                          the stupid dee come back

                          Originally posted by dee. View Post
                          Translation: I'm so butthurt they didn't use Ubuntu!

                          i use arch man, i really don t care what is the core. i espect a OS for TV, not a normal linux distro like this with xorg and gnome, i don t see the point of using this, instant of ubuntu, fedora, mint or arch

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by AJSB View Post
                            I don't get why they recomend 500GB HDD on one hand and in another they demand 1TB to install SteamOS.

                            Is it related to "mirroring" option that let us recover everything is something goes wrong with instalation ?

                            In that case , i assume that if you try to install SteamOS is a 500GB HDD, it will be "split" in two of 250GB with 2nd 250GB used to mirror and recover the 1st 250GB ?

                            TIA,
                            AJSB
                            The 1TB is because it is an installation from a system image, basically the system image for hardware in the Steam Machine Prototype, has Clonezilla cannot image a larger disk on a smaller one, at least last time I used it, even if plenty of free room. Has for the 500GB, games are kind of not the smallest software when it come to size, so you recommend a decent enough size to system builder.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by johnc View Post
                              Official X.org fanboy
                              Hah, when did that change? Did you ask for it or is Michael just playing you?

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                              • #30
                                Ars Technica review:

                                http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/1...ter/2/#image-2

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