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  • Valve Set To Debut SteamOS Linux Today

    Phoronix: Valve Set To Debut SteamOS Linux Today

    If all goes according to plan, Valve will be making publicly available their Linux-based SteamOS platform in a matter of hours...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTU0MjY

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    I'm not very familiar with chroot stuff. But would there be a way to install SteamOS in a chroot in, say, Ubuntu, kind of like you can with ChromeOS and Crouton? (As opposed to setting up a second partition and rebooting, etc.)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by johnc View Post
      I'm not very familiar with chroot stuff. But would there be a way to install SteamOS in a chroot in, say, Ubuntu, kind of like you can with ChromeOS and Crouton? (As opposed to setting up a second partition and rebooting, etc.)
      use a jail but seriously you can use "lxc" - linux containers, I think.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by johnc View Post
        I'm not very familiar with chroot stuff. But would there be a way to install SteamOS in a chroot in, say, Ubuntu, kind of like you can with ChromeOS and Crouton? (As opposed to setting up a second partition and rebooting, etc.)
        As long as the host kernel satisfies the requirements of the chrooted distro and the two distros aren't using incompatible userland bits (eg. the outer one using systemd to manage access to the cgroups system while the inner one wants to use cgmanager or vice-versa), you can run any distro in a chroot on another.

        The real question is how much work it'll be to set up. (With Gentoo and APT-based distros being the simplest to install in a chroot since the officially-documented way to install Gentoo on outside a chroot involves booting off a LiveCD, unpacking a tarball, and chrooting to your hard drive while APT-based distros can use the debootstrap tool)

        If the only officially-supported way to set up a distro is by booting off an install image and running an installer, it can get quite hairy sometimes. (Especially if the installer does a lot of configuration that won't be autodetected to new values if you install into something like VirtualBox and then transplant the installed files into a chroot.)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by johnc View Post
          I'm not very familiar with chroot stuff. But would there be a way to install SteamOS in a chroot in, say, Ubuntu, kind of like you can with ChromeOS and Crouton? (As opposed to setting up a second partition and rebooting, etc.)
          why not simply set up steam on your distro? steamos is for ppl who have dedicated gaming machines and want to have 2 things
          - everything just works
          - work and games are separated
          i personally will either build rig to exact valve specs and put steamos on it or i'll buy steambox and run steamos there. absolutely no point in using steamos otherwise

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          • #6
            No need for chroot etc.:
            http://steamdb.info/static/img/blog/..._interface.png

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            • #7
              What I want to know is when should we expect source code to be available.

              To me, if the Steam OS improvements to the stack are pushed upstream, pretty much any distro with reasonably updated packages and the steam client installed on top should perform very closely to the SteamOS, beyond providing that extra desktop functionality steam os lacks, right?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by justmy2cents View Post
                why not simply set up steam on your distro? steamos is for ppl who have dedicated gaming machines and want to have 2 things
                - everything just works
                - work and games are separated
                i personally will either build rig to exact valve specs and put steamos on it or i'll buy steambox and run steamos there. absolutely no point in using steamos otherwise
                That's your opinion, and I happen to not agree with what appears to me to be a black and white outlook. I would normally do the same for people wanting to get in on Steam-ness, but for myself, family and friends, I would allow a little more leniency and customise a machine more to their gaming and media digestve desire's. SteamOS may be targeted towards big-arse games, but there will be a plethora of low-end games (indie-much!) that will more than satisfy the needs of the casual gamer who likes to browse the big-app stores. And re-using hardware is a good thing for the planet. Steam is first in linux (Android notwithstanding) with the app stores now and it'll hopefully pull in heaps more waves of people interested in freeing themselves from the regular consoles lock-in which makes their games redundant forcefully.

                Hopefully SteamOS will make some waves. I'm not hedging it to be the massive game changer everyone's making it out to be just yet, but it'll be a damn fine platform that will steadily grow, ESPECIALLY because of its openness, fairness and future-proofing. In the meantime, I'll happily reboot in to it on the lappy for the full experience when not doing work.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by stiiixy View Post
                  That's your opinion, and I happen to not agree with what appears to me to be a black and white outlook. I would normally do the same for people wanting to get in on Steam-ness, but for myself, family and friends, I would allow a little more leniency and customise a machine more to their gaming and media digestve desire's. SteamOS may be targeted towards big-arse games, but there will be a plethora of low-end games (indie-much!) that will more than satisfy the needs of the casual gamer who likes to browse the big-app stores. And re-using hardware is a good thing for the planet. Steam is first in linux (Android notwithstanding) with the app stores now and it'll hopefully pull in heaps more waves of people interested in freeing themselves from the regular consoles lock-in which makes their games redundant forcefully.

                  Hopefully SteamOS will make some waves. I'm not hedging it to be the massive game changer everyone's making it out to be just yet, but it'll be a damn fine platform that will steadily grow, ESPECIALLY because of its openness, fairness and future-proofing. In the meantime, I'll happily reboot in to it on the lappy for the full experience when not doing work.
                  well, you're wrong in one thing. it is not my opinion, it's just how it is. it was always told that Steam+distro will be equal in any aspect as far as games go to what SteamOS only does for gaming as long as distro is following valve guidelines set by steamos. only difference i see is that if you run it in SteamOS you're bound to use BPM and you're not distracted by anything. as soon as you run it in any container mode you can kiss goodbye any kind of optimization that SteamOS brings against steam+distro, in fact your steam footprint probably became even larger.

                  the only thing that you get if you run on SteamOS is the fact that it will probably be long term "just works" solution. and the only thing you get with steambox compared to self made rig is defacto certified hardware. but, that doesn't mean it will work better. your gaming rig could as well perform 10x better than steambox if you put it together carefully with linux in mind and steam+distro could also work better if that distro added some personal touches that make games run better. well, steambox+steamos will probably have one more thing... you plug it in and play which can't be said for usual PC. so far not one notebook i had (with any OS) it never even come close to console way of just plugging it in and playing.

                  SteamOS is probably made as it is for 2 reasons:
                  - as small footprint as possible which makes much simpler guidelines for other distros to follow
                  - to satisfy ppl like me. for me it is console or nothing where i don't even want any option to be otherwise

                  as far as last paragraph, i couldn't agree more. it is the reason why i'm jumping ship from PS to steam. being linux enthusiast and avid gamer nothing could make me happier than linux based open console.

                  p.s. if my 1st answer sounded dismissive, it was not. english is not my native language so i sometimes word it harshly without realizing

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                  • #10


                    what can I say

                    http://repo.steampowered.com/hometes...amd64/Packages

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by stiiixy View Post
                      That's your opinion, and I happen to not agree with what appears to me to be a black and white outlook. I would normally do the same for people wanting to get in on Steam-ness, but for myself, family and friends, I would allow a little more leniency and customise a machine more to their gaming and media digestve desire's. SteamOS may be targeted towards big-arse games, but there will be a plethora of low-end games (indie-much!) that will more than satisfy the needs of the casual gamer who likes to browse the big-app stores. And re-using hardware is a good thing for the planet. Steam is first in linux (Android notwithstanding) with the app stores now and it'll hopefully pull in heaps more waves of people interested in freeing themselves from the regular consoles lock-in which makes their games redundant forcefully.

                      Hopefully SteamOS will make some waves. I'm not hedging it to be the massive game changer everyone's making it out to be just yet, but it'll be a damn fine platform that will steadily grow, ESPECIALLY because of its openness, fairness and future-proofing. In the meantime, I'll happily reboot in to it on the lappy for the full experience when not doing work.
                      don't know how, but my previous answer was somehow eaten. meanwhile, i searched few possibilities just to make my point more visible. Steam has 4 usage cases on Linux and each probably has its dedicated public.

                      - Steam+distro of your choice using your preffered DE and steam as software mixes both worlds of gamers and DE users seemingly, but you opt for some performance loss since you run more services beside the fact that your distro might not implement all performance tweaks (target: computer users who want to play and work at same time while not being scared of sacrificing some performance)
                      - Steam+distro of your choice by using steam as DE like http://www.webupd8.org/2012/12/bette...ance-with.html. still mixes both worlds, but switching requires login/logout. good thing is that you gain some performance as your session is limiting services that would otherwise eat your cycles. even better thing here is that you retain all your services like network shares and such. and even better case is that you're still open to 1st approach since you can run same steam inside your working DE (target: computer users who separate their work and gaming, but want to use same machine for both worlds)
                      - SteamOS only becomes viable when you don't want DE and computer functions, but want to squeeze every bit of performance and get console like plug-n-play experience (target: console users who only intend to play on that machine)
                      - 4th one is actually dualbooting your distro and SteamOS which i think you already thought about it your self and don't like it

                      your suggested chroot approach is nothing but even larger footprint than any of these 4 since you would try running one complete solution on another complete solution. if you want to fit 15 tons in 10 ton truck, you can't to take 5 ton truck, load it, put it in that 10 ton truck and expect you can now still load 10 in it to transport 15 in one go. SteamOS won't solve your usage case, you should opt for one of other 3. but, if your interest only lies in seeing how it looks, install it in virtual machine which will take way less work

                      that is the beauty of open solutions. if the way it works doesn't suit you, find another way. that is also the main reason why SteamOS should never, ever have DE. all it would do would be take away one of possible usage cases since it would only replicate one that already exists. and i wouldn't say my world is black and white, i just know exactly which shade of gray i want same as you seem to do. i like things separated, you don't.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ext73 View Post
                        Seem more like package to update Ubuntu with Steam package then SteamOS.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Figueiredo View Post
                          What I want to know is when should we expect source code to be available.

                          To me, if the Steam OS improvements to the stack are pushed upstream, pretty much any distro with reasonably updated packages and the steam client installed on top should perform very closely to the SteamOS, beyond providing that extra desktop functionality steam os lacks, right?
                          Source code of the kernel etc. should be avaible with, or shortly after the SteamOS images drop. Please note that it is not confirmed SteamOS will drop today, could also be tomorrow or monday.

                          Also, some kernel changes from SteamOS may not be useful for non-gaming related tasks, so Ubuntu etc. might not be interested in those tweaks if there are any.

                          Regarding the hometest repository, yes that includes some SteamOS stuff but it has been known for half a year and it outdated.

                          The initial SteamOS might not be too impressive yet, I expect bigger bombs to drop in January, both at CES and, if publicly announced, during Steam Dev Days. Valve also added a talk to Steam Dev Days recently where they want to pressure all developers to go fully OpenGL-only, and Source Engine 2 will probably also not have DirectX support.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by d2kx View Post
                            Please note that it is not confirmed SteamOS will drop today, could also be tomorrow or monday.
                            Actually it does say that it will ship today.

                            http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ste...88300965516570
                            The machines are due to leave the factory on Friday!

                            yada.... yada.... yada.....

                            SteamOS will be made available when the prototype hardware ships. It will be downloadable by individual users and commercial OEMs. (But unless you’re an intrepid Linux hacker already, we’re going to recommend that you wait until later in 2014 to try it out.) We’ll post info soon about that. Oh, and stay tuned for the in-home streaming beta to begin soon, too!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by justmy2cents View Post
                              well, you're wrong in one thing. it is not my opinion, it's just how it is. it was always told that Steam+distro will be equal in any aspect as far as games go to what SteamOS only does for gaming as long as distro is following valve guidelines set by steamos. only difference i see is that if you run it in SteamOS you're bound to use BPM and you're not distracted by anything. as soon as you run it in any container mode you can kiss goodbye any kind of optimization that SteamOS brings against steam+distro, in fact your steam footprint probably became even larger.

                              the only thing that you get if you run on SteamOS is the fact that it will probably be long term "just works" solution. and the only thing you get with steambox compared to self made rig is defacto certified hardware. but, that doesn't mean it will work better. your gaming rig could as well perform 10x better than steambox if you put it together carefully with linux in mind and steam+distro could also work better if that distro added some personal touches that make games run better. well, steambox+steamos will probably have one more thing... you plug it in and play which can't be said for usual PC. so far not one notebook i had (with any OS) it never even come close to console way of just plugging it in and playing.

                              SteamOS is probably made as it is for 2 reasons:
                              - as small footprint as possible which makes much simpler guidelines for other distros to follow
                              - to satisfy ppl like me. for me it is console or nothing where i don't even want any option to be otherwise

                              as far as last paragraph, i couldn't agree more. it is the reason why i'm jumping ship from PS to steam. being linux enthusiast and avid gamer nothing could make me happier than linux based open console.

                              p.s. if my 1st answer sounded dismissive, it was not. english is not my native language so i sometimes word it harshly without realizing

                              I still dont agree (Valve have said to go stick SteamOS on old PC's, even), but I'm more than happy to agree to disagree =) SteamOS is certainly NOT a console. It is competing with them on the high-end, however. It's simply JAFLD'ing (just-another-fucking-linux-distro). It will also creep down the low-end eventually too, but that's probably not their market right now and will likely come naturally from hardware progression anyway (Intel's onboard video is becoming nothing short of useful for games for example!). A lot of us, despite the Steam-DRM and personal details tracking thing, are keen to see this happen 'for the much benefits of game lovings' on systems we can control and love and just get over and get shit done with already! Watch the market open up for apps otehr than games, particularly for things that are related to games at first.

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