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  • #76
    Originally posted by dee. View Post
    Ok. How about we apply the same logic to other laws then? You can't agree with one part of traffic law and disagree with others. If you accept the prohibition on drunk driving, you also have to accept 5km/h speed limits in city areas, mandatory GPS tracking for cars... Or let's take the laws on alcohol. You can't disagree with one part of alcohol regulation and agree with others! If you agree on the prohibition to sell alcohol to children, you also have to agree with sales restrictions, restrictions on how long restaurants can stay open, or ridiculous taxing policies... does this start to sound ridiculous already?

    For the x+1th time, copyright law is not one monolithic take-it-or-leave-it block. It consists of many parts, which together outline a collection of many related but separate rights, all of which are bundled under the umbrella term of "copyright". Even the name "copyright" is misleading, because it contains much more than just copying rights. (In Finland, we call it "author's rights", which is a somewhat more accurate description in my opinion).

    Now then, where exactly do you get the idea that I can't be against one part of copyright law (or any law) while being ok with others? Do you have any kind of reasonable justification or basis for that view, other than an arbitrary decision on your part that I have to either accept all of copyright law or disagree with all of it? If so, I'd love to hear it.

    Shit, I wish people would study these things even superficially before starting to mouth off at me. There's no hypocrisy on my part, my beliefs are entirely consistent here. Feel free to disagree, I'm not forcing anyone to agree with my views, but don't come calling me a "hypocrite" based on your entirely arbitrary criteria.
    But you're not protesting different portions of copyright law. Copyright grants the author a monopoly on the redistribution of the work allowing him/her to dictate the terms for redistribution for a certain number of years. When you violate copyright, you are saying the author has no right to dictate the terms of redistribution, but GPL is built on the premise that the author has that right, therefore when you pirate you are rejecting the GPL as well so yes, you are being inconsistent.

    This is why nobody applauded the idiot who found the F2FS source code and re-licensed it under GPL, it's because he disregarded and rejected the author's right to redistribute, something FOSS developers need to prevent people from locking up their code

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    • #77
      Sorry, I submitted two almost identical posts. I had a connection break, thought the first one didn't go through

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      • #78
        Regardless of the legality of pirating Activision's games, doing so is still a bad reaction. The correct reaction is to ignore them and go put your money on other games whose publishers do care about supporting Linux. Support Linux by buying games built natively for it; running pirated Windows games through Wine does not support Linux.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by asdx
          Are those games Linux native?
          So now you want to pirate native Linux games?
          <sarcasm> This is really the way to support companies that support Linux, we all can be very proud of you! </sarcasm>

          For posting illegal download links to native Linux games you should be banned immediately.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by asdx
            Sorry for my previous comment (the "fuck off" one), but asking for someone to get banned is not nice. I understand how you feel about pirating Linux games.

            But hey, the "pirates" are not all that bad, if you look into most links for example you'll see comments such as this one:

            "If you like this game, please buy it and support the companies."

            Also, I would happily buy games to support Linux games but they don't give me the choice to do so, I don't have a credit/debit card and I also don't want one due to the ridiculous bank fees and taxes, it's much easier for me to buy BTC from localbitcoins.com and use that to pay for things on the internet, but Valve won't take BTC AFAIK.

            So please don't judge without knowing, I'll give HL2 a try because it's the only way for me to try it and I'll delete it later, maybe after playing 10-15 minutes, as soon as Valve starts taking BTC I'll happily buy it.

            I'll probably buy more than once just so that I support those efforts on Linux.
            I don't care at all why you pirate. You post illegal download links in a Linux forum that obviously is even read by the Activision PR crew. Now think about how your behavior reflects on the Linux community that actually wants to get games and pay for them. And yes, if this was my forum I would outright ban you, because providing illegal links to copyrighted content on a forum can get the forum owner (read: Michael) in serious problems. Are you the one that want to pay the lawyers if this will be the case? I doubt it, since you aren't even able to go to a fucking store to buy your games.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by asdx
              Sorry for my previous comment (the "fuck off" one), but asking for someone to get banned is not nice. I understand how you feel about pirating Linux games.
              This is not about us, what you did is a direct violation of forum rules (Rule 7). It is illegal and could get Michael in a lot of trouble. You should contact the admins and ask to have it removed immediately.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by asdx
                I don't understand how this belongs to the "pornographic or other obscene material" section. Please help me understand.
                Using sexual slurs may enter into "other obscene material". As saying to pirate enters into: "respect other's copyright" - section 5.

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                • #83
                  I find it hard to believe, you need a credit card for steam.

                  First of all I bought the orange box, and some other box, in a store, and activated it on steam. It gave me HL2 Portal, HalLlife, counter strike and a few more games.

                  Secondly you can use paypall.

                  Third option move to the Netherlands

                  The dutch steam users were able to explain to Valve that a credit card is not very common over here.
                  Valve now has an option, which only seem to be their for the dutch, but it comes down to an online bank transfer.

                  ( its called Ideal )

                  Furthermore I like to add, that pirating because a company stops developers from making a Linux version, is for me oke.
                  That's what this topic was about.
                  The reason, I don't have a creditcard, sounds like bs to me.

                  I also like to add pirating games from the one company, that gave us gaming on Linux, on a never seen before scale, sounds very lame to me.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by asdx
                    I don't understand how this belongs to the "pornographic or other obscene material" section. Please help me understand.
                    Sorry, rule 6.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Gps4l View Post
                      I find it hard to believe, you need a credit card for steam.

                      First of all I bought the orange box, and some other box, in a store, and activated it on steam. It gave me HL2 Portal, HalLlife, counter strike and a few more games.

                      Secondly you can use paypall.

                      Third option move to the Netherlands

                      The dutch steam users were able to explain to Valve that a credit card is not very common over here.
                      Valve now has an option, which only seem to be their for the dutch, but it comes down to an online bank transfer.

                      ( its called Ideal )
                      Here in Germany we can use the PaySafeCard for that, a prepaid card that is widely accepted for German web services. Works without a problem. Alternatively I could go into one of the many electronic stores and just buy a copy of the game I want, as you say.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by asdx
                        You call it lame, but I call it my only option. Seriously? What other option do I have when I can't use PayPal, when I don't have a credit/debit card?

                        If I could use Bitcoin to pay I would use that, but they don't take BTC.

                        I understand that piracy is not a good thing when we have these companies offering Linux games, but I wish they were more flexible with the payment options.
                        I have been wondering for years why the don't give us a bankaccount number so we can transfer the money.

                        That how we ( dutch) pay most bills, and why a credit card is not that much used over here.

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                        • #87
                          I don't have a debit/credit card. Fortunately, Steam accepts all popular russian web-wallet services, such as yandex-money, web-money, and qiwi-wallet.

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                          • #88
                            DCMA safe harbor rule protects forums like this

                            Originally posted by asdx
                            I don't understand how this belongs to the "pornographic or other obscene material" section. Please help me understand.
                            Under the DCMA, web forums that accept user content are not liable for content posted by 3ed parties so long as they remove it they receive a DCMA takedown notice.
                            Michael can shrug off the bluffing threats about piracy links here-because under the DCMA, only the owners of the copyrights have the authority to send a DCMA takedown\
                            notice.

                            Were it not for this safe harbor, Youtube and other video hosting services would face billions in lawsuits over music in videos. Youtube only scans for backing music out of
                            fear that their sheer size could induce Congre$$ to amend the DCMA under pressure from the RIAA and MPAA. The threats here are like Getty letters arriving from someone
                            other than Getty!

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by asdx
                              If I could use Bitcoin to pay I would use that, but they don't take BTC.
                              I wish they accepted mud as payment. I dug some up last night, and I'd like to spend it, but Valve won't take my mud. I guess i'll just pirate their games instead. They should really start accepting mud.

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