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  • #16
    Originally posted by volca View Post
    The latest steam big picture mode contains Interface->Allow access to linux desktop checkbox (tested under steam -steamos), so it does not seem they totally ignore the possibility.
    it may have a desktop but i think it mostly will be for developers

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    • #17
      Like it was sayed already.
      Steam OS it is just big picture with a linux kernel behing a a few packages, just essential for gaming on it.
      Big picture + auto-updates + some multimedia thing.

      But essential is a operating system design to have on a TV, to be used with a gamepad.
      Not to be used with kb/m and to do our daily work.

      I guess most of the people didn't get it, and still dreaming of having libreoffice there and CAD applications, i laugh hard when they say that

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ObscureAngelPT View Post
        Like it was sayed already.
        Steam OS it is just big picture with a linux kernel behing a a few packages, just essential for gaming on it.
        Big picture + auto-updates + some multimedia thing.

        But essential is a operating system design to have on a TV, to be used with a gamepad.
        Not to be used with kb/m and to do our daily work.

        I guess most of the people didn't get it, and still dreaming of having libreoffice there and CAD applications, i laugh hard when they say that
        we have openSUSE Fedora and Debian for work and Steam OS for gaming

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        • #19
          Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
          yeah really it was like calling Ubuntu a Gaming OS when really Ubuntu was made for Grandma why do you think the fucking side bar is so damn Big
          Indeed that sidebar is pretty big by default. But you can adjust the size and make it smaller.

          Gaming on Ubuntu will will have the same result as gaming on SteamOS.
          Don't believe me? Just wait and see...

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          • #20
            Originally posted by RealNC View Post
            SteamOS is not here to promote Linux. It's here to promote Steam. They're not interested in Desktop Computing. They are interested in selling video games.
            They already have the steam client for desktop computing anyway. =p

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            • #21
              Originally posted by RealNC View Post
              SteamOS is not here to promote Linux. It's here to promote Steam. They're not interested in Desktop Computing. They are interested in selling video games.
              Why can people post something short-sighted like this?
              1) Valve is pissed off Windows 8 because of its store
              2) Valve want to promote their own system. Happily Linux based.
              3) Valve wants as many users as possible
              3a) As many SteamOS users as possible
              3b) With LOWER priority they want sell "more" games. Their shop is running great already.
              4) A BigPicutre Mode closed system (at least for normal users) is not attractive and not good for point 3) including a) and b)

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              • #22
                So much talk about "Big Picture"...


                And nobody menationed normal desktop apps You can buy via Steam....

                Yes. Because its perfectly normal for Valve to make product that ease consumption of their games, but not their apps....


                (Customized kernel folks -> get the F away, and back to W. Or read up on Linux kernel development)

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kemosabe View Post
                  I'd like to see KDE+Steam+Optimizations+UniqueSteamTheme.
                  An only sane setting. Gnome is just unusable for typical users.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by grenadecx View Post
                    Indeed that sidebar is pretty big by default. But you can adjust the size and make it smaller.

                    Gaming on Ubuntu will will have the same result as gaming on SteamOS.
                    Don't believe me? Just wait and see...
                    Ubuntu is to heavy to be any good for gaming as you have to run Compiz and Unity + Bloatware + Adware + NIH Patch sets + all the other lame as shit and that huge Windows 9 looking side bar can't really get any smaller also it's not

                    The fact is Ubuntu now is going to have to fallow Valve on OS Performance

                    just think about it how in the Fuck is Ubuntu going to in any way keep up to Valve? Valve on Day one of a Kernel release can drop it in just like Arch Linux a new Nvidia drivers realease updates! day one the days of non rolling realeases for gaming are soon to be over

                    the best part is there is many way's to compile the linux kernel to boost Performance for gaming also Steam OS may end up using systemd and Wayland a bigger boost in Performance look at gentoo they twink there linux to work best for there hardware you can't say Ubuntu is doing the same as they pull most all of there packages from Debian

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by LinuxGamer View Post
                      Ubuntu is to heavy to be any good for gaming as you have to run Compiz and Unity + Bloatware + Adware + NIH Patch sets + all the other lame as shit and that huge Windows 9 looking side bar can't really get any smaller also it's not
                      If you are talking about the sidebar to the left, like in this image: http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/...jpg?1372917735
                      Then yes, it can get smaller. You can set the size of that

                      And when it comes to Unity or using something else like, KDE, XFCE, GNOME, it really doesn't matter. As long as unredirect fullscreen is enabled, you'll get the same performance. I hated Unity before, I was always going back to gnome2 or mate when running Ubuntu, but gaming has always been the same with that option on.

                      Nowdays I use Fedora on my main computer and Ubuntu on my laptop, both works great.

                      But hey, we will see. But I doubt that it will differ.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by iniudan View Post
                        I am pretty sure valve will not even have a display server installed on SteamOS, has SteamOS is intended to run one software in full screen and everything else is an overlay on top of it, so will most likely use the frame buffer for optimum performance.
                        Optimum performance is had with a display server. Why do you think full-screen scrolling is faster in a terminal on an X11 desktop than in a 1280x1024 framebuffer console? It's because only embedded devices have framebuffer drivers with 2D acceleration beyond a simple enhancement to vertical scrolling.

                        The accelerated drivers that Valve has put so much work into helping GPU manufacturers improve are only for the X.org X11 display server.

                        Plus, Steam and the already-available Linux ports for games are using the X11 API. They'd have to be insane and stupid to expect everyone to use a different stack for SteamOS after all the work they've already put into X11.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by grenadecx View Post
                          And when it comes to Unity or using something else like, KDE, XFCE, GNOME, it really doesn't matter. As long as unredirect fullscreen is enabled, you'll get the same performance. I hated Unity before, I was always going back to gnome2 or mate when running Ubuntu, but gaming has always been the same with that option on.
                          The problem is that not all games let you Alt-Tab in "real fullscreen". I like Xfce + Xfwm because it has "fake fullscreen" (Alt+F11) which always lets you Alt-Tab, but I disable compositing anyway.

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                          • #28
                            Using ANY desktop environment in SteamOS would be very problematic. Who has used Gnome or KDE in TV with gamepad?
                            Support for even alt-tabbing is difficult because such shortcuts are dangerous for unexpecting users (after pressing wrong button games just disappear etc.).

                            We already have Fedora, Ubuntu and other distros for general purpose computing. If Valve has any sense SteamOS is going to be a closed big picture mode by default (buy hopefully easy to extend and modify).

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                            • #29
                              I am pretty sure (a gut feeling, lets say) they will just introduce a very basic full screen window manager, similar to what XBMC does when run without one. This is sufficient for all games and I think most desktop applications (i.e. like blender does it, etc).

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                              • #30
                                Practically speaking, I think we're going to have a proper usable desktop system besides the Big Picture mode. I mean, I'm sure at least some of the Valve devs want it, and I'm sure it's necessary to have at least a desktop environment to get windowed games and other types of desktop applications available on Steam working (not to mention all the IDEs and tools and all that good stuff).

                                Originally posted by Calinou View Post
                                The problem is that not all games let you Alt-Tab in "real fullscreen". I like Xfce + Xfwm because it has "fake fullscreen" (Alt+F11) which always lets you Alt-Tab, but I disable compositing anyway.
                                Actually, Valve kinda sorta fixed that - You can always alt-tab from the Steam overlay.
                                So the "kinda sorta" in there is that it works from the overlay only, but that's still pretty cool and useful. Real fullscreen is (in my experience) faster and more reliable than fake fullscreen anyway (at least, when you have window compositing enabled).

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