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  • #16
    Well the good news is I had the survey pop up today...

    Anyhow. Yeah I don't expect Linux numbers to be above 2% until steambox's hit with SteamOS installed before we see >10% and even then it may take a while but with steambox's being a reality i can imagine 30-40% usage in a few years. It may never happen but a penguin lover can dream right?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by dee. View Post
      This, exactly. Which is also why we should hope Intel's plan for Tizen Ultrabooks succeeds, as it'd bring a real desktop Linux OS (not a spyware-cloudtoy, not a gaming-media-center-console-OS, but a real general purpose desktop) to the masses, to the reach of everyday consumers who buy their computers from the same place they buy their groceries.



      System76 is small beans, they've been making ubuntu machines for years, it hasn't caused a huge success for the Linux desktop and will not likely influence things much further. Dell is offering ubuntu-based computers on China markets only (plus one single developer laptop for other markets, hidden away in their online store where you have to know about it to find it). Apart from the chinese, these Ubuntu machines aren't very likely to make a huge impact.
      Well, if it makes an impact in China that will be good enough. The Chinese market is big and is growing.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by nll_a View Post
        Yeah, absolutely. Thank goodness when I switched to GNU/Linux 5.5 years ago there wasn't all this stupid hate towards Ubuntu, so no biased articles stopped me from getting it right the first time. I only tried other distros afterwards, and I always got back to Ubuntu. It's got its flaws, but for me it's the best distro around. I'm hoping for SteamOS to be good too and for the Steam client to continue being great on Ubuntu and the other distros.
        I'm glad you're happy, but this is the exact same kind of comment most linux newbies have with whatever their first linux distro is. 10 years ago, someone would try out Mandriva as their first distro, figure out they liked linux, and then go shopping around other distros just to find out that they liked Mandriva best. It's because that's how you learned linux, and you got used to the "correct" way of doing things.

        Edit: Newbie is probably the wrong word - what i mean is someone content with their system, who doesn't want to constantly tinker with it just for the hell of it. General user, i guess, rather than a tinkerer like many people on phoronix or other enthusiast sites.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DarkFoss View Post
          That said only folding is keeping me from making Linux my everyday desktop.
          Can you not do Folding on Linux or is the performance poor?

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          • #20
            I just experienced yesterday the opposite of what many of you complain about. My linux desktp was dead for 4 months and I was playing torchlight 2 and DOTA 2 on my laptop on windows and I was never asked to take the HW survey. I finaly had a duh moment and bought a replacement graphics card from amazon for my desktop. I installed it and I'm now back on a linux desktop using steam.
            As soon as I updated steam on my linux desktop and logged in I got the HW survey.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by verde View Post
              Gaming won't bring popularity and/or bigger usage share to Linux. Gaming is not the problem.

              The problem is, if I ask now, here, which OS I should use instead of Windows 7 the following will happen:

              A: - Choose Fedora!!!
              B: - No Fedora is too buggy! Choose Arch!
              C: - No Arch is too hard for a beginner! Choose Mint!
              D: - No Mint is not supported well. Choose Ubuntu!
              E: - Ubuntu? Canonical is the devil and spying on you.

              So I/He/She will end up to return to Windows. So simple.

              Personally when I was trying to search the web for the best Linux alternative to Windows, I was bumping on articles that proposed distros based on politics (avoid Ubuntu no matter what) and I was lucky to try Ubuntu before I quit. I didn't know who is Shuttleworth, nor Torvalds, nor GNU, nor Red Hat but everyone is proposing to the masses what he prefers. No "A" proposal to make people enter to this world.

              If you enter Linux you will never go back. But community is SO sort-sighted.
              actually
              i know at least 3 people that would use linux if games they like worked as good and were easy to install
              granted they do know i can fix what dont work

              avg user needs:
              firefox
              minimal easy setup, GUI
              their favorite game(s)
              Office

              actually i think most people just need firefox and movies to work, but feel cheap if there isn't plenty of stuff

              linux has an advantage as for its reputation (the kernels, not distros) of being awsome
              granted "its unlike what i know" makes it harder for people to use, as anyone trying blender for the first time can testify
              (that and the fact many things still arnt plug'n'play and sometimes buggy; in short complicated)

              i was thinking about something like e17 on puppy slacko (its easier for me then the other puppy)
              with scripts to setup graphic drivers, wine, steam, skype, few firmwares and whatever
              ofc libreoffice too
              so they can just click and it works

              that wouldnt be too much trouble to set up as the puppy people made it to be that way


              so ye who didnt notice; i tried puppy on the laptop and its awsome (for a laptop at least; for weeks its running on it as "live", i just close the lid so didnt try the installer yet)
              and from what i see it shouldnt be hard to put binary drivers and make it "full performance"
              idk why it its not as popular as the big names

              PS i remember dual gpu laptops were hell to make work right, id guess much has changed but plenty stayed the same
              Last edited by gens; 11-02-2013, 01:36 AM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by phoronix View Post
                Phoronix: Valve Publishes October Steam Hardware Survey

                Valve has released their latest hardware/software survey statistics for the following month. Is Linux back above a 1% market-share for gamers?..

                http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTUwMDc
                The Linux numbers won't change until there is a compelling reason to. What game title is exclusive to Linux that is enticing enough to pull people to Steam on linux? Until Valve do something extraordinary on Linux, I don't see a reason to expect any interesting stats in the Linux direction.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by johnc View Post
                  Can you not do Folding on Linux or is the performance poor?
                  I was thinking of the same thing. Heck, F@H is available on FreeBSD too through linuxulation.

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                  • #24
                    counting is hard

                    Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
                    Linux is at 1.78% not much has changed since the past year. I remeber it was a bit closer to 2% at one point.
                    Do the figures count those who are running Steam with Wine or the PlayOnLinux and Crossover front-ends for it? Even with the native client, most of my game time is still spent via Crossover, mostly for Civ V; how many others do this rather than dual boot? For that matter, there are some games that run fine in an XP virtual machine.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by verde View Post
                      Gaming won't bring popularity and/or bigger usage share to Linux. Gaming is not the problem.

                      The problem is, if I ask now, here, which OS I should use instead of Windows 7 the following will happen:

                      D: - No Mint is not supported well. Choose Ubuntu!
                      E: - Ubuntu? Canonical is the devil and spying on you.


                      Personally when I was trying to search the web for the best Linux alternative to Windows, I was bumping on articles that proposed distros based on politics (avoid Ubuntu no matter what) and I was lucky to try Ubuntu before I quit. I didn't know who is Shuttleworth, nor Torvalds, nor GNU, nor Red Hat but everyone is proposing to the masses what he prefers. No "A" proposal to make people enter to this world.

                      If you enter Linux you will never go back. But community is SO sort-sighted.
                      Not as much as politics as it about ubuntu using : "Home-made technology" and "experimental" libraries/softwares.

                      Remember, gamers want stability and performance, Not to be tested on.
                      The problem is, they also want things to be "Easy-to-use" which sometimes conflicts with : "stability and performance"
                      (The previous statements were written in the name of all the gamers in the world.)
                      Last edited by Illasera; 11-02-2013, 08:40 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
                        I'm glad you're happy, but this is the exact same kind of comment most linux newbies have with whatever their first linux distro is. 10 years ago, someone would try out Mandriva as their first distro, figure out they liked linux, and then go shopping around other distros just to find out that they liked Mandriva best. It's because that's how you learned linux, and you got used to the "correct" way of doing things.
                        It may be somewhat true, but Ubuntu kept going in the right direction for me. When I first installed Ubuntu (2008) it probably wasn't much more than a tweaked Debian+Gnome desktop. I remember the next year I got a new computer, installed 9.10 and found everything was great, so much that no changes or features would compell me to upgrade to another release, not even the LTS, but when Unity came out with 11.04 I became so excited because I thought that interface was almost exactly what I wanted. It would allow me to finally ditch Gnome 2, which I found hideous. I was very impressed with where they were going. I was always a keyboard-driven user, so Unity was close to how I already used and customized my computer. That interface made me put up with the bugs present back then. The same thing is happening for me with Ubuntu Touch, and I can't wait 'till I ditch my Android.

                        So even if I had started out in another distro, like Mandriva, and identified with it, and had a good initial experience, and didn't go back to Windows - which I honestly doubt -, I would have changed to Ubuntu later. What some Linux people call its weakness (its unwillingness to follow the herd) I call it its strength.

                        My point is hatred towards Ubuntu doesn`t help Linux, it does the complete opposite. And diversity is not the problem with Linux, it's the politicking, the conservatism, the distro wars. I'm hoping this time it's different and Valve gets the respect they deserve, but I'm not holding my breath, as no doubt people will invent plenty of shit to crap on SteamOS when it comes out.
                        Last edited by nll_a; 11-02-2013, 09:03 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Valve just got a hundred of euros in the last month from me, it was years since last time I bought a game so eagerly: it's so awesome being able to play your favorite games without having to dual boot.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by johnc View Post
                            Can you not do Folding on Linux or is the performance poor?
                            Sorry johnc I should have been more specific folding on the gpu.. Currently only Nvidia is supported natively. AMD's Linux Catalyst driver isn't good enough. The open driver isn't ready either.

                            I refuse to buy Nvidia they need to show me much more than releasing a few docs. I read here that they released Vendor-Neutral GL Dispatch Library Thats a good start.

                            How many dev's do they have hired working full time on X, Mesa,OpenGL,Gallium3D,Nouveau ? Less than Intel but more than AMD surely Where's their presence here Nvidia's counterpart to AMD's Bridgman ?
                            Until shown otherwise I'll assume the only reasons for their recent apparent turn-around is the loss of the contract with China to AMD and their partnership with Valve and Steambox.

                            In my eyes AMD has done more for Linux and listened to the community helping develop an open driver, so I'll wait through the growing pains and continue to reward them with my hard earned dollars as my way of showing my appreciation.
                            Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety,deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
                            Ben Franklin 1755

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                            • #29
                              +1 Steamtendo GabeCubes

                              Originally posted by Vash63 View Post
                              GabeCubes.
                              Hahaha yes!

                              Planetary Annihilation in Beta on Steam on Ubuntu 13.04 64bit on an Nvidia 660GTX FTW! (Hosting/starting the game and playing against windoze user mates works good!)

                              Also, for the hope of CS:GO ...

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