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    Phoronix: NVIDIA & Valve Work Together On SteamOS

    Last week it was made public that the Linux-based SteamOS-powered Steam Machines console will use Intel CPUs and NVIDIA GPUs in the living room prototypes shipping this calendar year. Now there's a bit more on Valve's relationship with NVIDIA...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQ3ODc

  • #2
    Originally posted by phoronix View Post
    Phoronix: NVIDIA & Valve Work Together On SteamOS
    Sartain also said, "Everyone at Valve and NVIDIA believe the SteamOS open ecosystem is a very important move for gaming.
    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQ3ODc
    Open ecosystem? Which parts of the NVIDIA drivers and Steam are "open"?

    Still, shouldn't complain too much; at least this should get a lot of young hackers involved in Linux.

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    • #3
      It will be more open then windows.

      Directx was once explained to me, as a way to talk directly with the hardware, without MS telling people how windows works.

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      • #4
        It is open to the point that everyone can just build a Steam Machine himself with the components he chose.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mathias View Post
          It is open to the point that everyone can just build a Steam Machine himself with the components he chose.
          And any gamemaker can enter the steam store/library if approved by Valve or Greenlight(user approval), including opensource and free games. There is no boggy man to restrict access to the steam ecosystem unless your game is just smut, then it can't be approved. So, is its not open to smut, which is not a loss to 99.9% of gamers.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cyborg16 View Post
            Open ecosystem? Which parts of the NVIDIA drivers and Steam are "open"?

            Still, shouldn't complain too much; at least this should get a lot of young hackers involved in Linux.
            "Open" is such a good word (TM) now that everybody want to use it. Event to describe proprietary solution based on proprietary protocol. . . Which is Open ofc. because it can be openly bought by everybody. . .


            But here its about freedom to assemble Your own stuff. As opposed to standard console model where You can not change anything.
            (Also Steam Machines wont be bootloader-locked, that is also another meaning of Open)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cyborg16 View Post
              Open ecosystem? Which parts of the NVIDIA drivers and Steam are "open"?

              Still, shouldn't complain too much; at least this should get a lot of young hackers involved in Linux.
              Haha I know right? They're like feminist extremists - they'll claim they support something until it becomes inconvenient for themselves.

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              • #8
                Compared to any other console (even compared to Ouya that is totally underpowered) there is a lot of "open" in SteamOS and SteamBox...

                The OS is its majority OSS with only the essential parts to deal with Steam service and display drivers closed source....but, could we ask more in a realistic way ?

                Steam will NEVER disclose its client...because they CAN'T or else a swarm of hackers will hack the hell of it getting games for free (there was/is even a Russian tool that allowed you to get Steam games for free downloaded directly from Steam servers...i'm talking about games that we are supposed to pay for)...imagine the s++++++m if client was fully disclosed....Steam might as well close doors next day.

                BTW....WHY do you think Steam client in any OS gets so many updates almost in a daily basis ?
                Steam faces a daily battle against hackers and they have to change some parts of their code almost daily...


                As for video drivers...taking in account time frame for SB development and launch and legal issues as for disclose important data to OSS drivers devs, it had to be closed source drivers...*maybe* in 1 or 2 more years (and that's optimistic...more like 3 years at least) blobs will/can be replaced by OSS drivers but if Valve waited that much, PS4/Xbone would been so much entrenched that there was no way to SB have a minimum of success.

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                • #9
                  SteamOS & Wayland

                  Does SteamOS use Wayland?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cyborg16 View Post
                    Open ecosystem? Which parts of the NVIDIA drivers and Steam are "open"?

                    Still, shouldn't complain too much; at least this should get a lot of young hackers involved in Linux.
                    The "Open" for NVIDIA means "Ohhhh Thank God! Finally there is some platform willing to use my chips!"

                    Originally posted by DLay View Post
                    Does SteamOS use Wayland?
                    I'm afraid not. Wayland is immature and doesn't have too many advantages on games.
                    However, if SteamOS dropped GLX and preferred EGL, it would be much easier to migrate to Wayland in later generations.

                    Originally posted by AJSB View Post
                    Compared to any other console (even compared to Ouya that is totally underpowered) there is a lot of "open" in SteamOS and SteamBox...

                    The OS is its majority OSS with only the essential parts to deal with Steam service and display drivers closed source....but, could we ask more in a realistic way ?
                    Consider MANTLE (AMD's new API). I believe it's someway talking to GPU directly, i.e. you need to submit binaries to GPU instead of using GL API.
                    With this simple API, there won't be buggy drivers anymore, but only buggy games.
                    Last edited by zxy_thf; 10-07-2013, 11:33 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cyborg16 View Post
                      Open ecosystem? Which parts of the NVIDIA drivers and Steam are "open"?

                      Still, shouldn't complain too much; at least this should get a lot of young hackers involved in Linux.
                      I personally try to not be overly cynical about Nvidia, especially as of late. They're doing some work with Redhat that should benefit everyone, they've begun the process of getting some proper documentation for developers (which, i expect in time, this should pan out / work out well), they've released the vendor-neutral libgl stuff and now we hear they are working on SteamOS too... So these are all good signs / postivie things. (aside from other stuff mentioned in the article, like optimizing GTX for linux, etc). + As far as GPU vendors, regardless of being open or not - nvidia provides the best drivers, no contest.

                      And technically, part of the nvidia binary driver IS open. I patch every nvidia driver for linux-rt. Plus, semi-recently (circa linux-3.10 release time-frame), patching an older driver to support a newer kernel...but yes, obviously it's still somewhat closed / not an ideal situation.

                      anyway, I am hopeful, even somewhat confident that Nvidia is getting onto the right track, as far as linux development. It may take a while, but they do seem to be shifting mentality, a little.

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                      • #12
                        NVIDIA better be careful or Microsoft is going to come along and cut off their balls.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DLay View Post
                          Does SteamOS use Wayland?
                          SteamOS AFAIK isn't available to the general public yet, so there is no way of knowing anything for sure yet. But, I think there was a press release hinting at a MANTLE like solution bypassing xserver somehow. But, I may have misunderstood or even dreamed this up and are confusing everything as I am so freaken tired and burnt out right now that I can't think straight.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dh04000 View Post
                            And any gamemaker can enter the steam store/library if approved by Valve or Greenlight(user approval), including opensource and free games. There is no boggy man to restrict access to the steam ecosystem unless your game is just smut, then it can't be approved. So, is its not open to smut, which is not a loss to 99.9% of gamers.
                            Sure... Greenlight is spectacularly open, anyone can get their game into the store. Interested in buying a bridge?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by AJSB View Post
                              Steam will NEVER disclose its client...because they CAN'T or else a swarm of hackers will hack the hell of it getting games for free (there was/is even a Russian tool that allowed you to get Steam games for free downloaded directly from Steam servers...i'm talking about games that we are supposed to pay for)...imagine the s++++++m if client was fully disclosed....Steam might as well close doors next day.

                              BTW....WHY do you think Steam client in any OS gets so many updates almost in a daily basis ?
                              Steam faces a daily battle against hackers and they have to change some parts of their code almost daily...
                              You talk like Steam successfully erased piracy, man. Truth is, pirated games are still out there, the only reason to pay for games (in a practical way, I mean, not that I don't see how not paying has a negative effect) is because you want to (for example, you acknowledge the work required to produce the game), or because you want the mental masturbation of "achievements". I don't think they will close their doors if they made it easier to pirate, because people is still able to do so right now. There would be a lot of DRM addicted publishers that will probable leave them.

                              Originally posted by Cyborg16 View Post
                              Open ecosystem? Which parts of the NVIDIA drivers and Steam are "open"?

                              Still, shouldn't complain too much; at least this should get a lot of young hackers involved in Linux.
                              The ecosystem is not limited to Steam and the drivers. I think they mean "open" as in "you can give us feedback, we are open to hear from you".

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