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    Phoronix: Steam's September Hardware Survey For Linux

    As usual, with the start of a new month comes Valve's updated Steam Hardware Survey. The Linux usage is still floating around 1% with not much change compared to the prior month...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQ3NTA

  • #2
    64-bit?

    Any 64-bit Steam client yet?
    Any 64-bit Linux games on Steam yet?
    Any open source games on Steam yet?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by uid313 View Post
      Any 64-bit Steam client yet?
      Any 64-bit Linux games on Steam yet?
      Any open source games on Steam yet?
      it works without effort on 64bit distros, so how much does it matter.

      warsow is on its way
      http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile.../?id=125965803

      if you want lots of open source games, then just install them through your normal package manager.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by uid313 View Post
        Any 64-bit Steam client yet?
        Any 64-bit Linux games on Steam yet?
        Any open source games on Steam yet?
        1. What for?
        2. 64-bit games are supported since 2 months or so, not sure what games are offering 64-bit executables though
        3. You can add your own custom games ofc., but as far as bringing open source games to the platform goes, not yet

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        • #5
          Seen as the survey is a random pop up I would have thought that Valve has the true numbers.

          As in does the steam client tell Valve what OS its using at login ?

          Just guessing. Would be interesting to find out!


          Pete.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pete910 View Post
            Seen as the survey is a random pop up I would have thought that Valve has the true numbers.
            If the results come out the same each month then the sample size is large enough.

            It would be interesting to know what they are actually measuring. Is it fraction of logins, fraction of hours logged in, fraction of hours played, fraction of titles bought or fraction of users? If someone created an account, logged in once per month but never bought or played a game, are they as likely to be counted to some one spends $ and time every day? If people leave the client running 24/7 are they more likely to be counted?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by pete910 View Post
              Seen as the survey is a random pop up I would have thought that Valve has the true numbers.

              As in does the steam client tell Valve what OS its using at login ?

              Just guessing. Would be interesting to find out!


              Pete.
              Yeah, this is getting old. The polling is odd and biased. Phoronix users who use windows and linux only get polled when they run windows. Also, Steam is very fully aware of the importance of Linux for Gaming, if it wasn't clear from the fact that they are building SteamOS and Steam devices around Linux. So, this monthly weird update really doesn't add much to the conversation, anymore. It's not a real number, and it doesn't represent the importance of Linux. Why do we keep seeing it in the front page in Phoronix. Beyond me.

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              • #8
                We are still waiting for fix: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/ste...ux/issues/2286

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mendieta View Post
                  Yeah, this is getting old. The polling is odd and biased. Phoronix users who use windows and linux only get polled when they run windows. Also, Steam is very fully aware of the importance of Linux for Gaming, if it wasn't clear from the fact that they are building SteamOS and Steam devices around Linux. So, this monthly weird update really doesn't add much to the conversation, anymore. It's not a real number, and it doesn't represent the importance of Linux. Why do we keep seeing it in the front page in Phoronix. Beyond me.
                  So what you are saying is that for people who launch Steam through more than one OS in a given month, which of those OS's they'll get polled under is random? Well, doesn't that mean that primarily Windows Steam users who occassionally launch Steam in Linux out of curiousity might get counted as Linux users by accident? Sounds to me like the polling method is fair in that regard. If there's not enough samples being taken, that's a different issue. However, the month to month consistency of the results increases confidence in the survey's accuracy.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mendieta View Post
                    Yeah, this is getting old. The polling is odd and biased. Phoronix users who use windows and linux only get polled when they run windows. Also, Steam is very fully aware of the importance of Linux for Gaming, if it wasn't clear from the fact that they are building SteamOS and Steam devices around Linux. So, this monthly weird update really doesn't add much to the conversation, anymore. It's not a real number, and it doesn't represent the importance of Linux. Why do we keep seeing it in the front page in Phoronix. Beyond me.
                    I run windows and linux and I got polled on Linux this time. Its not baised, you get polled on whatever OS your on at the time you get selected to poll. I spend >90% of my time on linux, so it makes sense that it was very likely that I was on linux at the time of polling. Statistics.

                    Why do people call things biased if they don't agree with them? Its like dealing with the climate change deniers.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Serge View Post
                      So what you are saying is that for people who launch Steam through more than one OS in a given month, which of those OS's they'll get polled under is random? Well, doesn't that mean that primarily Windows Steam users who occassionally launch Steam in Linux out of curiousity might get counted as Linux users by accident? Sounds to me like the polling method is fair in that regard. If there's not enough samples being taken, that's a different issue. However, the month to month consistency of the results increases confidence in the survey's accuracy.
                      No, I didn't mean that. I mean a real bias, in that users who use one OS as much as the other, get exclusively polled in one (Windows). Even worse, uses who almost exclusively use Linux and fire up Windows every now and then,only get polled in Windows. Please see the bug report quoted above by RussianNeuroMancer ...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                        Any 64-bit Steam client yet?
                        Any 64-bit Linux games on Steam yet?
                        Any open source games on Steam yet?
                        Why?
                        What for?
                        Not needed.

                        Besides, I've never seen this mysterious survey popup - and I have started my client daily since it got first installed about 10 months ago.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tuxee View Post
                          Besides, I've never seen this mysterious survey popup - and I have started my client daily since it got first installed about 10 months ago.
                          Please add your comment here: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/ste...mment-25550027

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                          • #14
                            It IS easy to dismiss this as just the nature of random sampling, but it's almost certainly a bug. I run the Steam client on Linux almost every day since release on my desktop, and pretty often on my laptop as well. The survey has never showed up. I loaded Steam ONE TIME in Wine a month or two ago, and sure enough the survey popped up. Back when I used a Windows partion for gaming, I would sometimes get the survey a few times a year. It's been about a year since the Linux client was released, and nothing.


                            I know some people are convinced that it's just the nature of random sampling, but I don't think so anymore. If you remember, a few years ago Steam had a survey bug that was incorrectly reporting the number of Intel graphics users, so having bugs in the survey is not unheard of.

                            But that said, I really don't care about the survey numbers as long as new games keep being released. I'm sure developers care more about sales than survey results anyhow.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
                              Wrong one, see first page of thread for proper link.

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