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  • #31
    Originally posted by johnc View Post
    MS and Sony sell their boxes at a massive loss. There's no way a Steam Machine is going to compete on price.
    DonŽt guess here, there are facts available: (in german... sorry)
    http://www.golem.de/news/playstation-4-dank-guenstiger-bauteile-nur-60-dollar-verlust-pro-konsole-1309-101716.html

    in short:
    - MS sells it with a win of unknown height
    - Sony at a loss of about 60$
    - sony bases its console on FreeBSD (thats a Unix, similar to linux)
    - MS bases its console on the windows kernel + a new xbox kernel + hypervisor

    so both and valve should have similar developement costs for the operating systems. it will come down to the hardware. valve may subsidise it as sony or sell it at a higher price as MS. weŽll see

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    • #32
      Controller & Big picture

      Damn it... I don't have a controller. :S

      I have everything else though...

      Well it's pretty obvious this machine is using nVidia now. So the question is it tegra or real gpu power like GeForce.

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      • #33
        OK, it uses a Nvidia GPU....i was thinking a kind of APU from AMD but i guess not.
        I wonder how will be the price tag of the Nvidia part for Valve SB and how that will influence the total price of the SB.

        OTOH, this is not a total surprise....we all know that best blob is from Nvidia and after Nvidia got kicked in the nuts by M$ and Sony for their nextgen consoles, Nvidia was EXTREMELY motivated to not loose the nextgen consoles altogether so their only option was Valve.

        This goes in line with suddenly Nvidia started to publish non-NDA stuff for their GPUs....they also seemed to help a lot Valve with the gamepad....wonder who will make the actual gamepad hardware.

        ...and that part about Nvidia "collaboration makes sense as both companies strongly believe in the importance of open-platform innovation" , i LOL'ed

        I guess we have to thank Valve to make Nvidia see the light...Valve at least found a better argument than a "FU"

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        • #34
          If
          o = SteamOS
          [o ] = Steam Machines with SteamOS

          what is
          o+o = SteamOS + ?

          I don't think they announce game controllers, they already announced them, sort of. The symbols really suggest some kind of software. The one thing Gabe Newell talked about was how they can support developers in bringing games faster to Linux. What if the third part is something like a complete game engine + support tools with Linux support under an open source licence like the LGPL that would allow for commercial games? It would make total sense.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by AJSB View Post
            OK, it uses a Nvidia GPU....i was thinking a kind of APU from AMD but i guess not.
            I wonder how will be the price tag of the Nvidia part for Valve SB and how that will influence the total price of the SB.

            OTOH, this is not a total surprise....we all know that best blob is from Nvidia and after Nvidia got kicked in the nuts by M$ and Sony for their nextgen consoles, Nvidia was EXTREMELY motivated to not loose the nextgen consoles altogether so their only option was Valve.

            This goes in line with suddenly Nvidia started to publish non-NDA stuff for their GPUs....they also seemed to help a lot Valve with the gamepad....wonder who will make the actual gamepad hardware.

            ...and that part about Nvidia "collaboration makes sense as both companies strongly believe in the importance of open-platform innovation" , i LOL'ed

            I guess we have to thank Valve to make Nvidia see the light...Valve at least found a better argument than a "FU"
            You mean when Linus said FU nvidia?

            Originally posted by ZeroPointEnergy View Post
            If
            o = SteamOS
            [o ] = Steam Machines with SteamOS

            what is
            o+o = SteamOS + ?

            I don't think they announce game controllers, they already announced them, sort of. The symbols really suggest some kind of software. The one thing Gabe Newell talked about was how they can support developers in bringing games faster to Linux. What if the third part is something like a complete game engine + support tools with Linux support under an open source licence like the LGPL that would allow for commercial games? It would make total sense.
            Sorry I was referring to the steam achievements. I have 4 out of 5 and need a Logitech F710 controller to run the game in big picture mode to get the last achievement. Then I would be eligable to one of these steam machines. More then likely I'll install steam OS on one of my machines anyway, just to give it a test run.

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            • #36
              Yes, i was referring to Linus saying "FU" to Nvidia

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              • #37
                Originally posted by AJSB View Post
                Yes, i was referring to Linus saying "FU" to Nvidia
                Am I the only one who thinks Linus is very arrogant?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by AJSB View Post
                  OK, it uses a Nvidia GPU....i was thinking a kind of APU from AMD but i guess not.
                  I wonder how will be the price tag of the Nvidia part for Valve SB and how that will influence the total price of the SB.

                  OTOH, this is not a total surprise....we all know that best blob is from Nvidia and after Nvidia got kicked in the nuts by M$ and Sony for their nextgen consoles, Nvidia was EXTREMELY motivated to not loose the nextgen consoles altogether so their only option was Valve.

                  This goes in line with suddenly Nvidia started to publish non-NDA stuff for their GPUs....they also seemed to help a lot Valve with the gamepad....wonder who will make the actual gamepad hardware.

                  ...and that part about Nvidia "collaboration makes sense as both companies strongly believe in the importance of open-platform innovation" , i LOL'ed

                  I guess we have to thank Valve to make Nvidia see the light...Valve at least found a better argument than a "FU"
                  It doesn't sound like it's going to be an NVIDIA exclusive. Valve made it sound more like they're going to have a whole bunch of different stuff.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by sarmad View Post
                    Am I the only one who thinks Linus is very arrogant?
                    Of course he's arrogant. Nobody gets to create a project the size of linux without that kind of personality (or a ton of money).

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by sarmad View Post
                      No, but the price for PS4 and XB1 should also cover the investments MS and Sony make on their OSes, whereas Steam is picking up a free OS. Also, the use of commodity hardware should help reduce the price.
                      Other posters have engaged your points regarding the OS already, so I won't rehash anything there. However, in regards to hardware, I think you overestimate the effect of using commodity hardware will have. I assume the financial advantage of commodity hardware is in the economy of scale that comes from its popularity. That, however, overlooks the fact that PS4 and XB1 benefit from massive economies of scale of their own. In fact, they will benefit more from economy of scale because not only will they all use identical hardware, but they will be close to absolutely identical in almost every respect (regional mains electrical differences aside). Steam Machines, which will be built by third parties, will not enjoy that advantage.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                        It's amazing to see that many Linux users now think that Valve actually owes them something that they didn't know existed 3 days ago...
                        It's genius marketing on Valve's part. They hype a "console" that will act as a remote client to a windows box, barely mentioning that fact. I can't wait until it's released and people are whining about the "lag" on their 54Mbps network.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by johnc View Post
                          It doesn't sound like it's going to be an NVIDIA exclusive. Valve made it sound more like they're going to have a whole bunch of different stuff.
                          I didn't said that, i'm sure there will be 3rd party SB with AMD APUs and we ourselves can do whatever we want.

                          I'm only referring to the one "made" by Valve itself.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by AJSB View Post
                            I didn't said that, i'm sure there will be 3rd party SB with AMD APUs and we ourselves can do whatever we want.

                            I'm only referring to the one "made" by Valve itself.
                            I guess I was just misinterpreting this:


                            What are the specs of the Valve prototype?
                            We'll tell you more about it soon. Remember, there will ultimately be several boxes to choose from, with an array of specifications, price, and performance.


                            To mean that they had a variety of different vendors being sourced.

                            But I think it's more likely that you're right about NVIDIA being the go-to GPU solution.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                              It's genius marketing on Valve's part. They hype a "console" that will act as a remote client to a windows box, barely mentioning that fact. I can't wait until it's released and people are whining about the "lag" on their 54Mbps network.
                              Well, i have ZERO interest in streaming, be it local like in SB or via Net like in a PS4.
                              If i can install WINE in SteamOS for non-native games, fine, if not, dual boot will solve problem of legacy games.

                              ...and in this case dual boot doesn't mean necessarily SteamOS + Window$...
                              ...might be SteamOS + Insert_name_of_Linux_distro_that_can_use_WINE.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Pajn View Post
                                So now we know that the third announcement is a controller
                                baah I was hoping for some new titles in the last announcement. Half live 3, cs go etc.

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