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  • #61
    I'd be surprised if X or Wayland were first-class citizens on SteamOS. A Steam appliance doesn't need a full desktop. DirectFB would make much more sense.

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    • #62
      To be honest - I am excited about this - the HTPC might be making a switch from win7

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      • #63
        Anyone else disappointed that Mir wasn't ready in time for this, and that now it has to come with X.org? If they ever more to Mir or Wayland down the line, they will have to drop support for X.org games, or the devs will have to rewrite them, right?

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Krysto View Post
          Anyone else disappointed that Mir wasn't ready in time for this, and that now it has to come with X.org? If they ever more to Mir or Wayland down the line, they will have to drop support for X.org games, or the devs will have to rewrite them, right?
          Not if the games are linking dynamically against some wrapper lib, like SDL for example.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Krysto View Post
            Anyone else disappointed that Mir wasn't ready in time for this, and that now it has to come with X.org? If they ever more to Mir or Wayland down the line, they will have to drop support for X.org games, or the devs will have to rewrite them, right?
            No you don't write games for X. You write games for SDL which doesn't care about your display server. Like this:
            http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTQyMjQ

            Fullscreen applications bypass the display server anyway and write into the GPUs framebuffer.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
              I pretty much agree with your post, but this, I need to point out, is a contradiction. A PC enthusiast that doesn't bother reading before testing anything (this means, you should actually check support for your hardware, and have a basic understanding of its situation) is either not really an enthusiast, or severely stupid.
              Eeeek! Wrong!

              On windows you don't have such a problem since no manufacturer is dumb enough to release hardware without OS support.

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              • #67
                Probably 2 more things to discover.
                Well, sounds like a good idea from Valve. Esp. game streaming sounds clever so you can run Linux on the box and could stream a W32 game if it is not yet ported to Linux. I'll be watching that progress. I was always sceptic about Steam (I like some of their games a lot (L4D-Series, HL-Series)) because of the DRM and online connections. (Not that a community is bad, it's just the DRM and possible privacy violation aspect for me.) But as is seems Valve might actually bring Linux forward in terms of gaming and help with some major bricks for the new house.

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                • #68
                  "...that already has thousands of compatible games".
                  Steam only had around 200 Linux compatible games last I checked?

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                  • #69
                    If streaming from the Windows version of Steam in Wine works out, it might be a solution to those people who want Wine support in Steam. Assuming they're going to let you have both clients open, as it sounds like you would need for the streaming to work anyhow.

                    If it works out, I can see myself putting a box in the closet for streaming my old Windows library to my main Linux machine.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by benmoran View Post
                      If streaming from the Windows version of Steam in Wine works out, it might be a solution to those people who want Wine support in Steam. Assuming they're going to let you have both clients open, as it sounds like you would need for the streaming to work anyhow.

                      If it works out, I can see myself putting a box in the closet for streaming my old Windows library to my main Linux machine.
                      I was thinking about that, too. I don't think the streaming capability will be limited to Steam OS. I'm quite sure that Windows PC -> Linux PC will also be possible. I'm just worried about the bandwidth requirements. Not everyone has Gigabit Ethernet LAN at home. Some are using WLAN or ethernet over powergrid which has limited bandwidth and stability.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by b15hop View Post
                        Why do I have this gut feeling that I'm going to miss windows?
                        ...
                        Just terrifying! I didn't know Gabe will automatically turn every PC to steambox.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by IanS View Post
                          The bottom middle one looks a bit like Trine 2 and unless I am mistaken the top right is likely Football Manager (the 2014 version of which will be on Linux, so it fits).
                          There's Europa Universalis IV as well which is available on Linux right now.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by doctoren View Post
                            Even though it might not be that big of a surprise it is an incredible smart move by Valve. With SteamOS, Steam for Linux/Mac/Windows they are essentially hitting all targets (disregarding mobile, at least for now. Gabe hinted that mobile also was in their plans). Providing that Valve also will be able to offer other services than games this could be a major threat to the Xbox One and PS4.
                            Short term (this generation, so, maybe the next 7 years or so) I don't think it will be a threat.
                            Next generation though, when constant pressure has been on for X years and the channels have woken up to selling OEM SteamBoxes?
                            Samsung Galaxy SteamBox? HTC Steam? A hundred competitors rather than "the big three".
                            Exciting stuff! 8D

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by benmoran View Post
                              If streaming from the Windows version of Steam in Wine works out, it might be a solution to those people who want Wine support in Steam. Assuming they're going to let you have both clients open, as it sounds like you would need for the streaming to work anyhow.

                              If it works out, I can see myself putting a box in the closet for streaming my old Windows library to my main Linux machine.
                              You can already log into Steam from the same account multiple times, you just can't be playing more than one game at a time as far as I am aware. What I am guessing is that there will be a new tab in your library for Windows games, the Windows box will already have the Steam client running and when you go to launch the game from the Windows tab on your Steam box it will send the signal to the host machine that will launch the game and start accepting the controls sent from the Steambox and streaming the media back.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by johnc View Post
                                lol @ Ars. The MS fanboys are in total meltdown.
                                Same with hardocp. Seriously, the only reason I visit those two places is for entertainment like this.

                                Feeling bad? Go visit a Windows forum, it'll cheer you right up.

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