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  • #16
    Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
    Another thing to consider is many Steam users, myself included, have signed in on both Windows and Linux, which can slightly skew the results.
    Agreed. I think they base their figures off of the operating system a user uses most. But, currently, I think there are a significant number of Linux users who are counted as windows users because they spend more time playing games on Windows than they do on Linux. A figure of Ubuntu users said that something like 75% of their users dual boot.

    In any case, I think that it would be safe to assume that anyone WITH a linux account would rather play their games on Linux, so I think the numbers would be more fair if they counted everyone with a Linux account as a Linux user, regardless of what they use to play games with the most.

    Regardless, they say that 4% is the golden threshold where people start to seriously develop for your platform. So, if we manage to reach that percentage, we should be seeing a massive explosion of games developed for Linux.

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    • #17
      Well the count had a +1 last week when I tried Steam natively for the first time. I'd have been all over this a few years ago but I just don't have the time any more. I played Portal, which I bought several years ago but had never played, for about an hour and it was truly wonderful. I was rather impressed with the performance of the open Radeon driver. It sounds quaint but I don't think I've ever seen anti-aliasing on Linux before. Thank you, Valve.

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      • #18
        I wouldn't be surprised if (at least some of) the decline is due to many people getting excited to try it out, and now that they've tried it, went back to using Windows.

        Tons of potential here, and hopefully there's been enough interest that developers start to notice there's a place for Linux gaming in the market as well. The Steam Box is coming, and I'm really interested to see how this all plays out!

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        • #19
          There's a big lack of games still. Valve's games most certainly helped, but I have a huge games library on Steam on Windows, but when I play on Linux I have only 31 games, and almost all of them are indie games from humble bundles or Valve games... :x

          There are plenty of Linux gamers, we're just not firing up Steam that much at the moment. It approached 3% for a reason, you know. They are there. They're probably just playing humble bundles right now.

          I think with a Steam box running Linux we'll probably see this stuff change pretty friggin' quickly. It's all this "no games = no gamers = no games = ..." vicious cycle we've all been so familiar with. It really does require an absolutely insanely huge investment to change this. This is why new console launches are always quick to point out that they have a huge amount of launch titles and exclusives. Otherwise they will simply just fail completely.

          Linux lacks a killer app in the gaming aspect. That's the cold, hard truth right there. We really need hardware to change that, and we also need to get some other big gaming studios on board.

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          • #20
            I agree that it's probably down to 3 things:
            - Maybe it's not linux gamers decreasing, but other OS gamers increasing at a faster rate?
            - Novelty has worn off, and many games are still missing. Lots of games from previous humble bundles still MIA. L4D2 beta for instance has almost 0 workshop content, whereas full L4D2 has a lot of cool stuff to offer. Still missing the all-important DOTA2. What's the use of giving me 20 copies each month to give away if I cannot play? Where are all the ID games that have linux ports?
            - AMD graphics drivers still suck. So very much it's not even funny. I can see why someone with an AMD GPU, especially a ""legacy"" one (funny there are legacy AMD gpus with 2x the performance of my fully-supported and working nvidia one) would not want to move to linux.

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            • #21
              There's barely any games.
              Yeah, there's "some" games. There's maybe 5 games that are actually worth looking at that aren't crappy "so retro" pixel platformers.

              Doesn't help that Ubuntu still doesn't have Steam in its software repository even though Valve changed the license to allow it to be bundled in repositories.
              They have a repository with Skype, what the hell.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by peppercats View Post
                Doesn't help that Ubuntu still doesn't have Steam in its software repository even though Valve changed the license to allow it to be bundled in repositories.
                It's in there. It's been in there for awhile now.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by johnc View Post
                  It's in there. It's been in there for awhile now.
                  Then you know something that the Ubuntu website doesn't know: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?su...keywords=steam

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Vim_User View Post
                    Then you know something that the Ubuntu website doesn't know: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?su...keywords=steam
                    Ooops, my bad. Apparently I added a Steam repo without ever remember doing it.

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                    • #25
                      It would be useful if Valve split "Other" into 3 different entries: "Other Windows", "Other Mac" and "Other Linux". It would clear up a lot of ambiguity.

                      As to Steam in the repos, you may have to get it from the Ubuntu Software Center, as it is a 3rd-party application much like most of the games for sale. I don't think stuff like that shows up for apt/Synaptic, so you have to use USC to get it.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by johnc View Post
                        Ooops, my bad. Apparently I added a Steam repo without ever remember doing it.
                        The Steam deb itself is nothing other than a package that adds the steam repo for ubuntu IIRC.

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                        • #27
                          It seems like the survey is skewed towards windows.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by thorbsd View Post
                            I wouldn't be surprised if (at least some of) the decline is due to many people getting excited to try it out, and now that they've tried it, went back to using Windows.
                            indeed ! personally, i don't keep Steam running while not playing and don't play much these days. and with it not minimizing into DE's tray, i won't be surprised if lots of other people did the same, which would decrease the statistic.
                            and i'm also using wine+windows's Steam & occasional reboot to windows to play non-native games.

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                            • #29
                              I'm interested in how they factor in people who use both Windows and Linux steam, does it say I'm both or just randomly pick one or the other?

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                              • #30
                                Just to clear things up a little, this is a survey, there's nothing automatic about it; they literally ask a small group of Steam users each month to submit to the survey.

                                Unfortunately we're in the dark about the exact methodology being used, depending on how users are selected for the survey the results may be skewed in either direction, and there's also a question about how they round the results.

                                Just think: if the survey was given to 1% of the world during one hour once every month, depending on what hour they pick they may end up with very different results as different countries would be asleep and some countries use Linux more than other countries.

                                I'm not saying that this has happened, but that it would be very hard to write a manual survey that avoids these biases. If the survey was automatic and real time, I'm sure everyone would be up in arms about their privacy being violated.

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