Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Steam Linux Usage Still On The Decline

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    I consider myself a gamer.

    I have build my current pc to be able to play Aliens vs Predator ( 3 )
    phenom II X4 hd 5750. ( D11 card )

    Also a Linux fan, that why my pc has two hard disk, of equal size, one for Linux one for windows 7 ( two 500gig )

    Years ago I tried to get rit of windows, but failed.
    Games being the main problem.
    And I do not want to tweak wine for weeks to play a game.

    Currently although still very happy about steam to Linux, I am disappointed too.

    I had expected some problems, but it takes much longer then I expected for those problems to get fixed.

    The biggest problem I have are the amd drivers, for my vid card.

    On w7 serous sam 3 runs fine with DirectX.
    On Linux the fps cave in, when more enemies appear on screen.

    I found a solution though, on Linux I have lowered the resolution, from 1680 x 1050 to 1280 x 800

    I had to tweak kde a little too.
    ( which reminded me of a discussion on this forum, about one of our kde friends. Who asked, why should anybody want to run programs full screen ? )

    This and the lag of more big titles is what I think is holding Linux back.

    I am optimistic this will get solved though, but not in a few months.

    What I did to test. I copied the save games from Linux to windows, and started the game at a point were it became unplayable on Linux ( openSUSE)
    I was totally shocked, unplayable on linux, 100% fluent on directX with same settings.
    Now serious sam is a "heavy"game, but I fear Left for dead 2 to be much lighter.

    We really need better Linux drivers, which can compete with D11 on windows.

    I know enough die had gamers, who have sli or crossfire ( two graphics cards) who are interested in a few fps.
    They would go to linux if it was faster.
    Because of Valve we know openGL can be faster then Directx, but not with current drivers.
    And although nvidia has the better drives at the moment, they still don't outperform directX as they should.

    For those that don't believe openGL should be faster:
    http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/

    OpenGL versus Direct3D on Windows 7

    This experience lead to the question: why does an OpenGL version of our game run faster than Direct3D on Windows 7? It appears that its not related to multitasking overhead. We have been doing some fairly close analysis and it comes down to a few additional microseconds overhead per batch in Direct3D which does not affect OpenGL on Windows.

    Comment


    • #17
      Originally posted by johnc View Post
      That's a pretty amazing read of that chart. What I see is Linux hanging on in the 1% area and Windows 8 growing at a much faster rate than Linux. And the XP downtick was offset by an equal uptick in Windows 7.

      Linux is basically going nowhere.

      And here's my gaming experience on Ubuntu:

      - tearing
      - crappy performance
      - tearing
      - more tearing
      - accidentally hit Alt, HUD comes up and I can't get back to my game
      - compiz crashed, would you like to send a bug report?

      For that matter I can't even use XBMC on the system anymore. If anybody thinks somebody is going to leave the comfort of Windows 7 for this garbage they're very naive.
      well isn't these some of the reasons why ubuntu is re-writing everything from scratch?

      Unity-next will have no compiz. Performance should increase too. So that's a couple of problems solved right there.

      Changing or disabling the HUD key is super easy so am not sure why you didn't look it up:

      http://askubuntu.com/questions/12220...of-the-alt-key

      But I believe is a bug they will fix with full-screen opengl games.

      you can also install another DE in your ubuntu install just to game, like xubuntu-desktop

      now I don't know what card you have but your best bet when gaming is an Nvidia. But all drivers will eventually improve within this and next year.

      Comment


      • #18
        Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
        In other news, according to StatCounter, Linux has been going up pretty steadily ever since Windows 8 got released. And Windows XP is plummeting quite rapidly now; it may become near extinct in two years or less, if the rate doesn't slow down.
        I think that the decline of XP is due more to EOL concerns than to preference for or appeal of alternatives. XP EOL is less than a year away now.

        Comment


        • #19
          I think maybe the biggest part of it is the fact that most games coming out on the Linux platform are casual games and even ports of iPhone and Android games. I've been purchasing everything that comes out just to support the Linux platform and not a lot of the games are compelling enough for me to continue playing after an hour. It really lacks the hardcore gamer market and realistically that is up to the developers. I am really looking forward to Left 4 Dead 2 as I've owned that game for years and it will be nice to play it natively and not through Wine. Finger's crossed for a bigger range down the track.

          Comment


          • #20
            Originally posted by johnc View Post
            That's a pretty amazing read of that chart. What I see is Linux hanging on in the 1% area and Windows 8 growing at a much faster rate than Linux. And the XP downtick was offset by an equal uptick in Windows 7.

            Linux is basically going nowhere.

            And here's my gaming experience on Ubuntu:

            - tearing
            - crappy performance
            - tearing
            - more tearing
            - accidentally hit Alt, HUD comes up and I can't get back to my game
            - compiz crashed, would you like to send a bug report?

            For that matter I can't even use XBMC on the system anymore. If anybody thinks somebody is going to leave the comfort of Windows 7 for this garbage they're very naive.
            I agree and have experienced the same issues, besides XBMC, its always been rock solid for me on linux especially *buntus.
            For me, I would rather pay the windows tax to have decent drivers, then deal with running a game on linux with much worse performance.
            Though if I thought donating 80$ to get decent drivers for linux would help a lot, I'd do that. But I just don't think they will ever
            be up to par.

            Comment


            • #21
              Originally posted by johnc View Post
              That's a pretty amazing read of that chart. What I see is Linux hanging on in the 1% area and Windows 8 growing at a much faster rate than Linux. And the XP downtick was offset by an equal uptick in Windows 7.
              You also fail at graph reading.

              Comment


              • #22
                Originally posted by pdffs View Post
                You also fail at graph reading.
                No he doesn't. The written stats quite clearly show a +.96% gain for Win8 64-bit (and a net win for Windows in general, albeit at loss for Win7 and XP) and a net loss for Linux. It requires no "graph reading" skills at all to read that basic information out of the results. The total percentages at play are around 1%, which is all but irrelevant to Windows, but rather strongly impacts Linux's height of ~2%.

                Year of Linux Gaming, indeed.

                Originally posted by serge
                I think that the decline of XP is due more to EOL concerns than to preference for or appeal of alternatives. XP EOL is less than a year away now.
                Or just people buying new machines which generally come with a newer copy of Windows. That's the only reason anyone ever uses Windows, right? ... Right?

                Comment


                • #23
                  I'll be interested to see how the Steambox in general impacts Linux development with 3rd-party developers. Considering that Valve's hardware is going to be Linux based.

                  Comment


                  • #24
                    I was expecting more people to jump on the Linux bandwagon after the release of STEAM. Seems most gamers I talk to still think linux is extremely hard to use, and not geared towards gaming. Hopefully SteamBox will get more users thinking about Linux as a gaming platform.

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      Bad AMD drivers + steam client not in Ubuntu's repo.
                      Not like it matters, when Steambox releases the number will jump pretty high.

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        In my opinion,

                        Hardcore gamers will be the market shift catalysts. Casual gaming would not normally justify migrating operating systems for most people who use their PC's for 'other' tasks, usually Office(, and it breaks my dribble down theory below). Granny, who's on Ubuntu, would not normally be the sort to play FarCry. She's not a market driver and that market will never be until the gaming majority of now hit retirement, which renders Now Granny effectively irrelevant.

                        Gaming is the last frontier for linux to crack^, and the big blockers are sub-optimal drivers and no AAA studio support. We all know this. Most else is secondary as it sits below (drivers) or doesn't matter if it doesn't exist (game engines) if it's crappy. If those blockers aren't removed, and we have no excuses left to justify why the numbers are stuck at 2%, maybe we need to do some marketing!#. Normally the marketing comes first, to create a buzz, damn the rest of it. Just look at MS and Apple as prime market-leading examples.

                        Hardcore gamers wont be held back by tweaking. They will tweak. FPS, stability, keybinds. This type of mentality bought gaming to the fore-front in the first place and helped make it a commodity as requirements for more power in server and desktop markets took hold. In the case of desktops, mass marketing with T'n'A took grip and created new markets.

                        Once those drivers have stabilised, and a handfull of engines have made the migration successfully (especially Unity), theoretically for linux, it should start the ball rolling again. But, it will be slow as the hardcore (starting with the dev's, then the dedicated, then the nerds (I'm here!), so on to the vast majority) dribble effect takes effect again.

                        However, even if MS persists with scaring off their enterprise customers with things like Metro*, market majority for linux will likely take a very long time (10 years kind of long). People like to use the same thing they have at work. Mobile's a very differant market, but still puts linux in to peoples thoughts like rooting their handset. They start to become 'ecosystem aware'. They start to see the real power of linux when it runs everything from, well, you all know. Change their possibly negative mindset about linux in to a positive. Most people dont even know the internet only exists because of linux....mostly anyway =D There are a multitude of responses against linux, and they all need to be address to break down the walls. Or simply just accept the current limitations and let anti-linuxers have thier little win instead of dragging on useless, polarising divides. Thankfully Apple decided to stay mostly out of the Enterprise arena. It would have put BSD out there, but at what cost. Even MS is moving to terminal mode on their servers.

                        And then there's the SteamBox which is probably the real catalyst for a linux client on the desktop in the first place. I think this might actually take away number's from linux. At least desktop. Why run desktop linux if you can have Windows there and a SteamBox. Win-Win for that person as they use their existing Windows gaming as most linux games will exist on Windows concurrently.

                        I'm not holding my breathe to see magical market majority number's for linux. I dont care. I just want to be able to game-on simultaneously with Window's and Apple's on my linux flavour.

                        Okay, I've said enough. Hopefully some people can nit-pick over my current opinion's, at least what I got on paper!, as I didn't actually cite anything. I jsut want to do my part for getting people to at least consider linux. It's been a slow, but educational process! I even lost a job once because I mentioned linux at work =O

                        ^ MS Office is coming, apparently. Take that how you want
                        # Anyone remember that drive to get Tux on to the Indy kart? I wonder if Kickstarter allows for funding advertising campaigns
                        * Server 2012 is a whole new kettle of fish! And irrelevant for gaming =D

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          amd drivers

                          amd drivers suck in windows and linux (very bad). i change my card to nvidia and i have no more problems with crash and fps with steam linux.

                          only thing steam linux need is more games, real games, like cs go l4d2, pes (linux really need pes ou fifa), lord or rings online, star trek online etc and much more games, the moste of games on steam repository are the same of ubuntu software center.

                          windows have years of gaming, but amd says no to dx12, its a good news for linux and opengl

                          http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/04...irectx-12-ever

                          and i want, we want blizzard and EA games

                          Comment


                          • #28
                            Yeah, I'm just waiting for some more interesting games to come around. You know, the ones I missed when I gave up on PC gaming for console gaming. There are some awesome independent titles, but if I could get something like DmC : Devil May Cry or BioShock, that'd be pretty sweet.

                            Still, I'm sure Left 4 Dead 2 will be good enough to get me on it for a while. Also, the kind of person who games on Linux may also be the kind that doesn't much like sticking to Ubuntu, and that may make things difficult for some people if Steam doesn't work seamlessly on their distro of choice.

                            Comment


                            • #29
                              huh, strange...did anyone get that survey at all? Ever since I started using Steam on Linux, I never got that survey window I know from WINE usage.

                              Comment


                              • #30
                                Originally posted by enfocomp View Post
                                I was expecting more people to jump on the Linux bandwagon after the release of STEAM. Seems most gamers I talk to still think linux is extremely hard to use, and not geared towards gaming. Hopefully SteamBox will get more users thinking about Linux as a gaming platform.
                                I'm fairly certain the Steambox will get more people thinking about the Steambox, not Linux in general. Afaik the box will be marketed as a console, not a computer, so most people will treat it as such. The underlying OS is basically irrelevant on a console (or for gamers in general), their main concern is that all of their games run on a platform.

                                As such, the decline of Steam on Linux doesn't really surprise me at all. I've been using Linux for years, it's my main desktop, but I still use Windows for gaming. While Steam on Linux is certainly exciting, none of the games I play are currently available, as such SoL is of limited use to me. And, to be able to even begin to convince any of my friends to switch, all of their games need to be available, drivers need to work out of the box and performance needs to be on par with Windows (or better).

                                Even if all of the above comes to pass, many are still going to ask why they should use Linux, since they're used to Windows and it can do anything they need. Without a convincing "bonus" why should they make the switch, possibly having to relearn how to use the OS and potentially losing several tools they're used to?

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X