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  • Is Valve's Steam Client Bad & Damaging For Linux?

    Phoronix: Is Valve's Steam Client Bad & Damaging For Linux?

    When I exclusively reported last year that Valve would be releasing their Steam client for Linux and Source Engine, most Linux desktop users and gamers were filled with joy. However, now that the Steam client is out in the wild and more and more games are coming to Linux via this digital distribution system, it seems not everyone is happy...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTM0NTA

  • #2
    It's good for Linux and hopefully draws attention from Logitech and alike which are still to lazy or ignore open source at all.

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    • #3
      No, in a word.

      DRM sucks, it isn't going away. The alternative is HiB which has some pretty rough ports with no updates....

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      • #4
        Wow, just wow. Finally, a commercial company is porting his games to Linux and some people start bashing their effort? Don't want closed-source? Then don't use it. And if you want to bash, bash all the other companies that are not even considering porting their games to Linux.

        Sjees...

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        • #5
          Steam is optional. If you don't like proprietary software, than don't use it. Case closed. Go play console tic-tac-toe instead and stay in your mom's basement.

          Proprietary software is what GNU/Linux needs right now. We need professional a-grade games, video editors etc. Not to mention software companies like Valve are contributing a lot to drivers, tools etc... things that we would not have otherwise. Linux needs a good push in right direction, we wan't it to be 'better', don't we?

          I just don't see how can a hippie in his basement develop a $1,000,000 software project by himself. Unfortunately, some software has to be proprietary to exist. It is fundamentally impossible for it to be free as freedom or even free as free beer.

          Now, from perspective of end user - I want to play PROPRIETARY game, I have these options:
          - Boot into Windows and suffer
          - Run VM and suffer
          - Go with Wine and hope it works semi-decently and suffer
          - Double click in Steam and play and have good time

          I think the latter option is best for everyone. Thank you Valve for your effort to make it possible.
          Last edited by jan1024188; 04-07-2013, 12:00 PM.

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          • #6
            moronix once again

            Is dumb moronix bad & damaging for Linux? Yes! Only on moronix we can find such childish articles which are really damaging to Linux and Valve. If someone doesn't want steam nobody forces him to install it. It's such simple, but moronix have to scream about some thread like a little baby.

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            • #7
              The only real thing about Valve's efforts that I have a problem with is how close they are to Canonical. They could have chosen a more distro neutral approach, but instead it seems they got in bed with Shuttleworth.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Prescience500 View Post
                The only real thing about Valve's efforts that I have a problem with is how close they are to Canonical. They could have chosen a more distro neutral approach, but instead it seems they got in bed with Shuttleworth.
                You are not a developer, huh? You do not know how hard it is to battle fragmentation on Linux. If I was an enterprise, I would partner up with Canonical too.

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                • #9
                  The sense of entitlement that some people have is just amazing.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Prescience500
                    The only real thing about Valve's efforts that I have a problem with is how close they are to Canonical. They could have chosen a more distro neutral approach, but instead it seems they got in bed with Shuttleworth.
                    There is no such thing as a distro-neutral approach. The large majority of potential Linux Steam users are probably people running Ubuntu. I think this is an assessment made in advance to cater to the biggest group. In this context, one could consider Ubuntu to be 'distro-neutral'.

                    Furthermore, if it runs on Ubuntu it will probably even run on Gentoo without much hassle.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jayrulez View Post
                      The sense of entitlement that some people have is just amazing.
                      Freedom of speech is a fundamental right in most civilized countries. Which backwater island are you from? Enlighten us (and send photo's).

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                      • #12
                        Once more; in case of Steam it's up to the developer/publisher if any kind of DRM is shipped.
                        Steam/Valve does not enforce DRM in any form. Yet, it does support it.

                        There are games which don't come with DRM.

                        http://www.gog.com/forum/general/lis...on_steam/page1

                        Once installed, you can launch them right from the corresponding SteamApps directory without a running instance of Steam.
                        You can even copy the game folder to another computer (yes, without Steam) and launch the game without issues.

                        If the game supports Steamworks (achievements, Steam community stuff, etc...),
                        you have at least account-based DRM as Steam has to run.
                        But even in this case, some developer/publisher provide an alternative binary _without_ the Steamwork features (see link above).

                        Again, it's up to the developer/publisher!

                        Compare that to Ubisoft's Uplay and EA's Origin.
                        Last edited by entropy; 04-07-2013, 12:27 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Basically commerical games on Linux are the only way to tell companies like AMD/Nvidia/Intel that the customers want the same speed for Linux games compared to Win - or better the OpenGL stack should be equal. Intel+Nvidia seem to work closely together with Valve it seems, smaller game studios do not seem to get the same level of support. AMD is some steps behind in some ways, hopefully they begin optimizing OpenGL soon. When you look at the Nvidia slides then OpenGL is not only important for Linux games but even to support new gfx features for Win XP users (many of em seem to be in China). So maybe this helps as well to increase OpenGL usage. OpenGL games usually run with Wine very fast and could be ported to Linux/Mac much simpler than those that rely only on Direct3D.

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                          • #14
                            I'd have Gabe's child if I could.

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                            • #15
                              Most open-source games look like shit and beyond the artwork the latest open-source engines really aren't competitive or comparable to Source Engine, Unigine, or Unreal Engine 3.
                              Dear Michael Larabel, please use this sentence as much as possible in your coming articles. I am sure it will encourage the few open source games and engines out there to become much more awesome. Really great work you are doing here.

                              Btw what is the deal with SDL2? You've been reporting some time last summer, that it would be close to release. They must be running on valve time too I guess...

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