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  • #16
    Originally posted by benjamin545 View Post
    uh,im not all that super in touch with programming, put i was under the impression that nobody writes applications for X or wayland or dur(mir). you write your application with toolkits and middlelayer apis like gtk or sdl and let those libraries handle all that bullcrap.
    In theory, yes. In practice, toolkits don't cover everything, so apps do use a scattering of X-specific libraries.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by ninez View Post
      it also appears that Steam box will not be locked down in any way ~ so you can run whatever OS you like, but will likely ship Linux + Steam by default.
      I've been saying that since well back into 2012... There's Phoronix articles mentioning it when others were saying it would be locked down.
      Michael Larabel
      http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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      • #18
        Originally posted by duby229 View Post
        We just have to wait a little longer for more announcements. So far the Piston is the first one shown. Others will come. Some will be cheaper. I'm a "do-it-yourself" kind of guy so I have just built my own. I'm still waiting for Valve's input handling work before I start offering them to my customers. Plus I'll probably be using Windows because of its title selection. My boxes with steam won't be cheap though.
        Yeah, it would make sense to offer Windows for that reason. Hopefully, lots of Titles wil come to linux, though... I'm not a big gamer, but this stuff interests me, regardless.

        Personally, I am very interested in xi3 hardware ~ and am thinking about picking up one of their offerings. Like yourself, i am a DIY kind of person too, Although my own focus tends to be more musical (or artistic), ie: i have 2 hacked wii remote-based (foot) pedal boards (wireless/bluetooth) with some cool software to map everything to MIDI (linux-based), i have built several synth modules(linux based, but i use Wine-l-pa too for some stuff), as well as a few other toys and/or experiments

        I think the xi3 stuff is very appealing because of the modular design, size and being x86 based (rather than Arm-based).

        but i digress

        cheerz

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Michael View Post
          I've been saying that since well back into 2012... There's Phoronix articles mentioning it when others were saying it would be locked down.
          It's funny Michael, because even after CES 2013 - there still seems to be some confusion on this (among some people anyway). i'm just going off of what xi3 and Valve said ~ which is that it is an open-platform / run whatever you want.

          anyway, good for Valve in being smarter (imo) than the competition - if there is in fact, going to be multiple vendors making their own Steam boxes, then they _should_ be able to do very well.

          cheerz

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ninez View Post
            It's funny Michael, because even after CES 2013 - there still seems to be some confusion on this (among some people anyway). i'm just going off of what xi3 and Valve said ~ which is that it is an open-platform / run whatever you want.

            anyway, good for Valve in being smarter (imo) than the competition - if there is in fact, going to be multiple vendors making their own Steam boxes, then they _should_ be able to do very well.

            cheerz
            Michael had an article about the Xi3 and I think Gabe has said (on video) that Valve will also be rolling their own hardware for their own take on a Steam box.

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            • #21
              All next gen consoles , PS4, XBox Next, are PCs with locked hardware.

              As for SB...

              Don't confuse unlocked to excessive liberal freedom of hardware...

              AFAIK, SB will have freedom of OS and maybe some margin for amount of RAM, size of box, format of box, SSD or HDD and capacity, etc. but there must be restrictions in hardware specs.

              If not, THERE WILL BE problems of box A runs very well game A and B but fails in game C and box B runs very well game A and C but fails in game B and so on.

              That's one thing that doesn't happen with other consoles (i.e. a XBox 360 is a XBox 360 .period.) and will hurt hard SB if hardware specs are not to some point locked.
              Last edited by AJSB; 03-06-2013, 04:51 AM.

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              • #22
                A well thought out and convincing article. The message that I took from it is that Mir is going to fall on it's face...thankfully.

                When I read all the Mir articles, my worry was that the only way it was going to gain traction was if it was necessary, or just beneficial, to Steam. If Valve stay away from it for the time being then there's no advantage to Mir. As if Canonical can convince Nvidia and AMD to support their universally hated tech! So it's going to crash and burn.

                As a person who got into Linux through Ubuntu (and I still have it on my old netbook), it's sad to see them slip into irrelevance through their crazy antics. My only worry is no universally accepted goto distro for beginners, unfortunately Ubuntu still occupies that niche. The baton needs passing to a more sensible distro (Mint maybe?).

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                • #23
                  Funny that you mention Mint because , besides Slackware (witch is not exactly M$ refugees friendly), it's my favorite distro....they also , no matter are a derivative from UBUNTU, maintain a critical approach to UBUNTU options and rejected that abortion called Unity and found their own solutions that are way more Linux mainstream.

                  I'm sure that Linux Mint will continue that path.

                  ...it's also easy to install Steam on it....i done it and played Steam games on it even when Steam client was on early stages of Beta and i was one of the "bypassers" (we were not invited to the Beta but "bypassed" the "security" and participated to some degree on it).

                  Personally, i consider Linux Mint the new ( and much better) UBUNTU, the distro that we should recommend to M$ "refugees" as an easy introduction to the Linux world....
                  Last edited by AJSB; 03-06-2013, 07:09 AM.

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                  • #24
                    To me this seems as the most sensible approach. Wayland is promising and I fully support it, but not yet production ready especially due to the somewhat lacking support for toolkits, gl especially the Nvidia blobs. Meanwhile Xorg is the most supported and stable of them all. Also don't even get me started on Mir - WTF, Canonical, you have the most popular Linux distro at the moment, live up to that standard, stop fragmenting the ecosystem.

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                    • #25
                      I sincerely hope that Valve will use X.Org and that others will follow suit. Even if this will postpone our migration to Wayland for a decade. It's a small price to pay to see Canonical crash and burn.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by prodigy_ View Post
                        I sincerely hope that Valve will use X.Org and that others will follow suit. Even if this will postpone our migration to Wayland for a decade. It's a small price to pay to see Canonical crash and burn.
                        Valve will use X for SURE.

                        Mir is in (too) early stage (assuming that will deliver in the end).

                        Wayland is designed more in the direction of open source drivers
                        (NVIDIA and AMD don't seem too keen to support Wayland with their blobs any time (if EVER) soon).

                        Open source video drivers are a big NO NO for gaming and will stay so for a long time (if they will ever be any good for any serious gaming...personally , i believe that FOSS video drivers will lack ALWAYS compared with blobs).


                        So, X is the winner for some time at least.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by AJSB View Post
                          Funny that you mention Mint ... no matter are a derivative from UBUNTU....
                          I'm not entirely sure about the politics and technicalities of it, but if I were Mint dev I'd think about migrating to becoming a derivative of Debian, instead of the increasingly bizarre and misguided Ubuntu.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by kaprikawn View Post
                            I'm not entirely sure about the politics and technicalities of it, but if I were Mint dev I'd think about migrating to becoming a derivative of Debian, instead of the increasingly bizarre and misguided Ubuntu.

                            Oooohhh, but they are doing it already for some time....didn't you heard of LINUX MINT Debian Edition ?!?

                            http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php

                            They smelled that s**t was hitting the fan long ago and started to not put all eggs in the same basket long ago

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by kaprikawn View Post
                              As a person who got into Linux through Ubuntu (and I still have it on my old netbook), it's sad to see them slip into irrelevance through their crazy antics. My only worry is no universally accepted goto distro for beginners, unfortunately Ubuntu still occupies that niche. The baton needs passing to a more sensible distro (Mint maybe?).
                              Nah, Mageia has that niche covered. It just doesn't do as much marketing, but it's a brilliant starting point for beginners.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by prodigy_ View Post
                                I sincerely hope that Valve will use X.Org and that others will follow suit. Even if this will postpone our migration to Wayland for a decade. It's a small price to pay to see Canonical crash and burn.
                                No it's not.

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