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  • A Year Later, Linux Game Publishing Is Still Irrelevant

    Phoronix: A Year Later, Linux Game Publishing Is Still Irrelevant

    This coming week marks one year since there was the big shake-up at Linux Game Publishing where Michael Simms, the founder and CEO of twelve years, stepped down. A new CEO stepped in, and there were promises of future work, but so far there's been any major announcements and LGP continues to fade away...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTI4NTM

  • #2
    I would definitely ask the question who really cared about GNU/Linux-Gaming, if it currently wasn't about losing our freedom.
    Steam and other proprietary gaming-platforms are deliberately opposing software-freedom and thus might be even more damaging to GNU/Linux-Gaming, if it existed, than the "lack" of real software-titles.
    We really should think about the motives for Steampowered to port their platform and if it is worth it; I don't think they do this in a non-self-serving way and thus rather in the interest of making the GNU/Linux-Users solely dependent on commercial interests when it comes to games.
    I don't know what you think, but I am not begging them to steal our freedom as many people in the GNU/Linux-community (including Michael) sadly do.

    You might call me purist, but going the other way is not that different from Microsoft's and especially Apple's direction concerning respecting the users' freedom.
    Last edited by frign; 01-27-2013, 12:47 PM.

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    • #3
      it's sad to see Linux Games just fade away
      .

      FTFY.

      Valve hasn't really brought many titles so far.

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      • #4
        The fact is the majority of people using Linux are productive people and they rarely play games. When they do want a break and get a game, the offerings are too weak. The number one genre for Linux users would be RPGs in my opinion. Other games that would be successful are children games, and maybe puzzle games for the general audience that aren't into tech field.

        Steam is being developed for Linux but they are still to push above and beyond to promote the platform. Example 'The Cave' was said to be coming to Linux on release date. I'm yet to see the game in Steam to purchase. The games listed available for Linux is pitiful, therefore I have no need to keep Steam running or spend money. I also have to run the Windows version in Wine to update or play games I have installed for Wine use. Steam really needs to make the Linux client able to push(exec) windows library items to Wine and allow updates for Windows items whilst running the Linux version.
        Last edited by e8hffff; 01-27-2013, 01:06 PM.

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        • #5
          Austerity

          Also consider many Nations are in or going in to Austerity. This economic reason will cause a lack of production from creation houses, but may spur on homebrew.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by frign View Post
            I don't know what you think, but I am not begging them to steal our freedom as many people in the GNU/Linux-community (including Michael) sadly do.
            It's always fascinating to see the way people can abuse language to completely distort reality.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by johnc View Post
              It's always fascinating to see the way people can abuse language to completely distort reality.
              Thanks for bringing in meaningful arguments instead of bashing one by the means he uses language.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by frign View Post
                Thanks for bringing in meaningful arguments instead of bashing one by the means he uses language.
                I don't have any particular argument for or against the topic at hand. What I criticized is the way that you abused language to put forward a proposition that's clearly contrary to the truth. And what's worse is that you heaped a calumny on a group of people who simply do not fit the allegation.

                Somewhere in your diatribe you probably had a valid point to make, but you ruined it by making ridiculous claims. Perhaps you were just engaging in hyperbole to the nth degree.

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                • #9
                  Brainwashed?

                  Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                  How exactly is steam stealing your freedom? You buy a game and you play it. Nothing stolen here. Stop with the "proprietary is evil" bullshit. Did RMS brainwash you? Making linux dependent on commercial interests? Linux is already 80% of the kernel developed by corporations that only work for profit. Most of linux is actually dependent on commercial interests. Making money isn't evil. Get over it! What is your problem? That you don't get the source code? It's the one who writes the code that decides if they make it open or not. It's their freedom to choose. Not yours. Also, no one is forcing you to buy their products.
                  I agree to most of your points, so there is no reason to turn aggressive.

                  Concerning Steam, the case is a little bit more complicated than you tried to explain it: Buying a game of steam just gives you the limited (for the time of Steam's existence), exclusive and non-shareable permission to play their games. It is a dramatic loss of freedom, because the user does not have control about the software any more. With older titles at least it was possible to share them with friends and circumvent unreasonable copyright-measures to play those, but since the days of Digital Restrictions Management began, things turned out to be different.
                  The only one brainwashed is you, because you did not understand the concept of Free Software actually being compatible with the corporate sector (Quite ironically, RMS was the first to point that out and exactly those companies contributing to the Linux-kernel are proof of concept).
                  The fundamental difference between Steam and the Linux Kernel is the fact that the developed code is distributed under the GNU-GPL and not kept behind closed walls. So, how do you explain that?
                  It is not only about obtaining the source-code, which would just be the interest of the "Open-Source-Movement", it is also about preserving the users' freedom over using, modifying and sharing the software they use. In almost any aspect, Steam violates these principles.
                  I do fully understand, though, that the assets for games are rather of a nature to be published under a CC-license. And as you might already know, two of the six CC-license-models are free software-licenses. Making money is not evil, it is evil to exploit the users by doing it.

                  Nevertheless, you are perfectly right with your statement that companies and individuals are free to choose under which license they publish their source-code.
                  We on the other hand are all free to choose the software of preference.
                  But free software should not be regarded as an unrealistic vision. Free Software is "happening" and more and more people are using it, more and more companies focus on developing free software for the public sector or other companies and earn lots of money with it.

                  I myself don't play any games, but it is obvious, that Steam is an unsuitable platform when one is interested in preserving his freedom, just as GNU/Linux is an unsuitable gaming-platform.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by johnc View Post
                    I don't have any particular argument for or against the topic at hand. What I criticized is the way that you abused language to put forward a proposition that's clearly contrary to the truth. And what's worse is that you heaped a calumny on a group of people who simply do not fit the allegation.

                    Somewhere in your diatribe you probably had a valid point to make, but you ruined it by making ridiculous claims. Perhaps you were just engaging in hyperbole to the nth degree.
                    Maybe you might first read the statement above before we talk about this sensitive topic.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by frign View Post
                      Concerning Steam, the case is a little bit more complicated than you tried to explain it: Buying a game of steam just gives you the limited (for the time of Steam's existence), exclusive and non-shareable permission to play their games.
                      This is a common misconception. Many game devs CHOOSE to do this, but valve does not MAKE them. Some game devs choose for their games to not have any drm on steam, valve merely offers the game devs the freedom to choose whether or not they use steams drm. So by your logic, it is the GAME DEVS who are evil and attempting to take away our freedom.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KameZero View Post
                        This is a common misconception. Many game devs CHOOSE to do this, but valve does not MAKE them. Some game devs choose for their games to not have any drm on steam, valve merely offers the game devs the freedom to choose whether or not they use steams drm. So by your logic, it is the GAME DEVS who are evil and attempting to take away our freedom.
                        I accuse neither Steam nor the developers, because I don't know how sources are handled. The case is clear, though, what I mean by free software. It is not only the non-existence of DRM, it is the existence of free-use, which implies a public source.
                        Coming to your last statement, I have no idea why you are so naive to believe game-devs just had good things in mind. Especially big publishers want to control their customers, or do you really believe they are just happy when you are having fun with your just-purchased game? No! They want you to buy another one of theirs!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by frign View Post
                          I would definitely ask the question who really cared about GNU/Linux-Gaming, if it currently wasn't about losing our freedom.
                          Steam and other proprietary gaming-platforms are deliberately opposing software-freedom and thus might be even more damaging to GNU/Linux-Gaming, if it existed, than the "lack" of real software-titles.
                          We really should think about the motives for Steampowered to port their platform and if it is worth it; I don't think they do this in a non-self-serving way and thus rather in the interest of making the GNU/Linux-Users solely dependent on commercial interests when it comes to games.
                          I don't know what you think, but I am not begging them to steal our freedom as many people in the GNU/Linux-community (including Michael) sadly do.

                          You might call me purist, but going the other way is not that different from Microsoft's and especially Apple's direction concerning respecting the users' freedom.
                          +1 (finally?), as a "Linux gamer" that supports FOSS gaming (no, I do not think proprietary software is "evil". DRM however is, as its only use is to sell more copies of something in "evil" ways).

                          "what we say" versus "what we do" again. Gabe Newell once said he was against DRM, yet Steam and some games made by Valve use DRM.
                          Last edited by Calinou; 01-27-2013, 03:45 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by frign View Post
                            I would definitely ask the question who really cared about GNU/Linux-Gaming, if it currently wasn't about losing our freedom.
                            Steam and other proprietary gaming-platforms are deliberately opposing software-freedom and thus might be even more damaging to GNU/Linux-Gaming, if it existed, than the "lack" of real software-titles.
                            We really should think about the motives for Steampowered to port their platform and if it is worth it; I don't think they do this in a non-self-serving way and thus rather in the interest of making the GNU/Linux-Users solely dependent on commercial interests when it comes to games.
                            I don't know what you think, but I am not begging them to steal our freedom as many people in the GNU/Linux-community (including Michael) sadly do.

                            You might call me purist, but going the other way is not that different from Microsoft's and especially Apple's direction concerning respecting the users' freedom.
                            My view on this issue is less severe. As a matter of fact, so is the view of the FSF. You are right that Steam is definitely not something that promotes the ideals of the FSF, is restrictive and is a time bomb. But nobody is forcing us to use it. As a matter of fact, we probably are not even allowed to use it - I can't accept their license agreement, therefore I can't install Steam to begin with. But others don't mind it. They don't care about it as deeply. And that works for the best. For all that Steam does wrong, the fact that it's available on GNU/Linux is a good thing overall. That allows more people to ditch Windows, and that's already a good step. It also shifts the popularity. More people using Linux means more corporate interest in Linux. It means that it gets more commercially viable. And attention attracts additional attention. People who did not even consider porting their games to GNU/Linux may start considering it. With more people, even non-gaming companies may start porting their applications, or developing new ones cross-platform. And that is all positive feedback, it accelerates the move.

                            More people using GNU/Linux and more people developing for Linux means more people who may become interested in free software, too. Perhaps the subset of people who do won't be as large as it would be otherwise, but the potential is there. With enough attention, new software may even become developed on GNU/Linux first, rather than on Windows, and it may be free or at least partially free software. Plus, people who care about software freedom are not going away, they will be there to inform others.

                            In the end, we don't need to use Steam, but it does its job. It might be evil, but it's a good tool. A tool that may very well start the whole cycle. For now, it's a bit early to tell if it is going to work out or not, but again, the potential is there.

                            The advice that RMS gave is overall good - those who care about software freedom should not promote Steam, and do point out its flaws, but let's not be too critical of those who do use it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                              For all that Steam does wrong, the fact that it's available on GNU/Linux is a good thing overall. That allows more people to ditch Windows, and that's already a good step.
                              Agreed. I'm a gamer/Steam user and with the release of the Linux client and a TF2 port I was able to completely ditch Windows months ago and haven't looked back (plus the extra freed up hard drive space was nice ).

                              One argument I sometimes hear is that if I run something closed source like Steam and it's games I should just use Windows anyway. I'm not sure I like that argument, surely it's better that I be running a closed source application on a mostly FOSS operating system than running a closed application on a very closed OS

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