Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

The Sauerbraten Open-Source Update Is Still Cooking

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • The Sauerbraten Open-Source Update Is Still Cooking

    Phoronix: The Sauerbraten Open-Source Update Is Still Cooking

    There was supposed to be an update to Sauerbraten "Cube 2" in November, but that didn't happen in November or December. Fortunately, the major update to this long-standing open-source first person shooter is still forthcoming...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTI2NTc

  • #2
    It's 2013. We have this: http://media.multiplayer.it/thumbs/i...1400x0_q85.jpg


    What are we even talking about here? This is a non news and that isn't a game. It's a good way for developers to learn and spend their time as a hobby. Nothing more, nothing less.

    If such games were release for Linux we wouldn't even be here talking about such bullshit. But since such games don't exist, someone will say "I LOVE SAURBRAT, YOU'RE A TROLL BULLETXT GET OUT OF HERE, FUCK DRM, FUCK BIG COMPANIES, STOP CRYING AND GO BACK TO YOUR WINDOWS TOY. I WILL NEVER INSTALL SUCH DRM CRAP ON MY OS".

    Yes that's fine, I can accept it.

    Comment


    • #3
      Heh, nice trolling attempt, but you are totally missing the point.

      Yes, commercial big budget game look better (and will always do so) than open-source (community developed) efforts... and that is logiscal and fine. Notice how there is a lack of OS singleplayer games like COD? That is because for those the commercial game industry can't be replaced (just like no-one tries to make the next Transformers movie in their basement).

      However if you look at the hard-core multiplayer titles you will see that those most often played are usually very old titles that get continuesly refined and polished. Graphics (as long as they are at a certain minimum level) don't really matter that much in that realm, gameplay is all.
      Sure you will see commercial quality upgrades of those title (CS:Go, Dota2, Starcraft2 etc.), but more often than not, those fail at some crucial point and even when not, many people keep playing the old original.

      Now, even though OS isn't yet the driving development model for most of those multiplayer classics, it fits very well and I am quite certain that ultimately the majority of the hard-core multiplayer titles will be OS driven. In fact, even for commercial development (e.g. release graphical updates and gameplay extensions as ransomware for payment from time to time, but stick with a common, community driven code base) it would be beneficial for those specific titles.

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by bulletxt View Post
        It's 2013. We have this: http://media.multiplayer.it/thumbs/i...1400x0_q85.jpg


        What are we even talking about here? This is a non news and that isn't a game. It's a good way for developers to learn and spend their time as a hobby. Nothing more, nothing less.

        If such games were release for Linux we wouldn't even be here talking about such bullshit. But since such games don't exist, someone will say "I LOVE SAURBRAT, YOU'RE A TROLL BULLETXT GET OUT OF HERE, FUCK DRM, FUCK BIG COMPANIES, STOP CRYING AND GO BACK TO YOUR WINDOWS TOY. I WILL NEVER INSTALL SUCH DRM CRAP ON MY OS".

        Yes that's fine, I can accept it.
        Tesseract (let me bet you will mix both, you probably never played Sauerbraten or Tesseract) looks pretty good compared to some commercial games from a few years ago and you'll get more than 100FPS on a GTX690 (unlike CoD). It has real time lighting and you can easily make maps (unlike CoD).

        Sauerbraten is actually fun. CoD isn't, has slow-as-hell gameplay, is proprietary and paid. It also does not run natively on Linux. Now, welcome to my "FOSS game hater" list which already has about 1,500 people.

        Also, DRM suck and are only made to make more money (as if they don't have enough money).

        Lastly, it's not like realistic FPSes which proliferate in the market are teaching good things to people.

        Comment


        • #5
          How many users does CoD have, while having to pay for it and coming with DRM and being closed source, compared to sauerwhatever which is free/open source/whatever?
          Why do you think it happens? Because the users are morons who pay attention to much better graphics quality, which in your view aren't that better or not good at all?

          Truth is, as the first commenter said, no matter how much common sense you talk biased people will never give in, and one doesn't need, the market talks.

          Truth is, you can get more players even if your graphics sucks a lot more than AAA games, but, this only happens if you can compensate that with an exceptional game play, which sauerwhatever is not, or with something else that really matters a lot and is exceptional and sauerwhatever is not it either.

          But sauerwhatever is a nice game to play for free, especially if you're biased against DRM etc, but it's just it, a pathetic game by todays standards that only succeeds in such a small niche "markets" of open source anti-DRM bigot paranoids.

          And this is not an offense against its devs, it's an offense against those idiots who use extrapolation to claim it's competitive with CoD and the likes, or that it's even better. Games are sophisticated pieces of hard work and there's always something about any game that is better than in some other one which allows an asshole to claim "hence it's better".
          Last edited by mark45; 01-01-2013, 07:39 AM.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by mark45 View Post
            How many users does CoD have, while having to pay for it and coming with DRM and being closed source, compared to sauerwhatever which is free/open source/whatever?
            Why do you think it happens? Because the users are morons who pay attention to much better graphics quality, which in your view aren't that better or not good at all?

            Truth is, as the first commenter said, no matter how much common sense you talk biased people will never give in, and one doesn't need, the market talks.

            Truth is, you can get more players even if your graphics sucks a lot more than AAA games, but, this only happens if you can compensate that with an exceptional game play, which sauerwhatever is not, or with something else that really matters a lot and is exceptional and sauerwhatever is not it either.

            But sauerwhatever is a nice game to play for free, especially if you're biased against DRM etc, but it's just it, a pathetic game by todays standards that only succeeds in such a small niche "markets" of open source anti-DRM bigot paranoids.

            And this is not an offense against its devs, it's an offense against those idiots who use extrapolation to claim it's competitive with CoD and the likes, or that it's even better. Games are sophisticated pieces of hard work and there's always something about any game that is better than in some other one which allows an asshole to claim "hence it's better".
            Hi "Linux Gamer"!

            Sorry, I'm a "FOSS Gamer".

            CoD isn't fun because when you die, you have to wait 3 minutes until xXCaMpEr522Xx dies.
            In Sauerbraten you respawn almost instantly and the gameplay is much faster. It probably is more balanced than CoD too. Also, don't complain about your computer being slow since you had to buy CoD for 60 euros. You choose.

            Originally posted by mark45
            the market talks
            So we should all use smartphones and tablets?

            Originally posted by mark45
            a pathetic game by todays standards that only succeeds in such a small niche "markets" of open source anti-DRM bigot paranoids.
            CoD is, a pathetic game by today's standards that only succeeds in teaching people "war is Fun"®, making people more immature than they were and makes money for NVIDIA.

            Comment


            • #7
              Really? (poker face)
              To highlight your open-source bigotry:
              Which closed source, DRM, non-free games are better than sauerwhatever?

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by mark45 View Post
                Really? (poker face)
                To highlight your open-source bigotry:
                Which closed source, DRM, non-free games are better than sauerwhatever?
                None.
                (trollface)

                Comment


                • #9
                  Does anyone need any more proof it's worthless to argue with open source (or other types of) bigots?

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mark45 View Post
                    Does anyone need any more proof it's worthless to argue with open source (or other types of) bigots?
                    Does anyone need any more proof it's worthless to argue with closed source (or other types of) bigots?

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Calinou View Post
                      Does anyone need any more proof it's worthless to argue with closed source (or other types of) bigots?
                      You idiot, you know you're a lier and honest as a hooker, don't confuse a pencil with a penis, and don't put me into the closed source crowd. I'm not paranoid about any party. I'm saying the closed source games are better for now, while you're being an open source asshole, which actually makes me like closed source stuff better, now that I met another open source douche bag like you, and there's lots of such douchebags, thankfully not all of them are open source ones, some of them are Nibiru or Jesus Christ assholes, you're the open source asshole.
                      I don't care much about license or open/close nature of the game, unlike you, I judge games by their quality to the player.
                      Last edited by mark45; 01-01-2013, 11:50 AM.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        There is really no reason why more single player only games using in house tech that is not being licensed out to other companies for $$$ couldn't have open source code bases. What the big game developers and publishers are really selling in those cases are the levels, models, textures, skins, animations, 2D Art, sound FX, dialogue, music and the like. I don't see how releasing the source code to those kinds of games would hurt sales one bit. At least not if done say after the first month or so of sales.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          *facepalm*

                          The point of this game is "having fun" - Have you ever heard of it? Point of any game is having fun. I've never seen any graphics or ultimate-über-physics engine dependencies for "having fun". Because It's about spending some time.

                          If you really think that "having fun" is about realistic graphics with realistic weapons and realistic combat with realistic physics, then linux gaming isn't for you, yet.

                          And if you belive that "games" will bring an userbase to linux, then you should re-consider how healthy that userbase will be. Canonical may trying to attract those kind of personal computer users but not all the open source community are going to welcome those people.

                          There is a reason why we call it "ecosystem" - If we'd want to have bunch of retards who can't even search for a damn problem on freaking google, then we certainly would develop such softwares to our platform.

                          Are you getting the whole point? The problem isn't better games or softwares, the problem is userbase and their desire for non-liberty software for our platform. Then what would be the point of "software freedom" if we couldn't maintain our liberty? Freedom may not mean anything to you, but it certainly does to many many people around this community. - I'm not a Stallman fan but he's most certainly right about "dummy-friendly" vision of beginner distros.

                          Besides, games are for having fun. It really isn't that hard to understand why some people like to play counter strike or dota or whatever. - Does World Of WarCraft has the ultimate graphics? No. But 10 freaking million people playing it. Because it's fun.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            WoW isn't fun, heh.

                            Originally posted by reznov
                            Are you getting the whole point? The problem isn't better games or softwares, the problem is userbase and their desire for non-liberty software for our platform. Then what would be the point of "software freedom" if we couldn't maintain our liberty? Freedom may not mean anything to you, but it certainly does to many many people around this community. - I'm not a Stallman fan but he's most certainly right about "dummy-friendly" vision of beginner distros.
                            We should all use Harsh Linux! All Hail Gentoob!
                            There is nothing wrong with user-friendly distros. I use Xubuntu. Umadbro?

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Calinou View Post
                              WoW isn't fun, heh.
                              I know, I hate it. Chris Metzen has to die.

                              Originally posted by Calinou View Post
                              We should all use Harsh Linux! All Hail Gentoob!
                              There is nothing wrong with user-friendly distros. I use Xubuntu. Umadbro?
                              Where did I say "there is *something* wrong with beginner-friendly distros"? I'm just saying that Stallman is right about the "vision" of beginner-friendly distros. For example, Canonical is playing to become "hug my DRM" distro. DRM is not the only problem though, after shopping lens fiasco I just don't see the point of saying Ubuntu is a Linux Distro; They're trying to make a new OSX ecosystem. Even Shuttleworth says "we didn't want to end up like Windows" and he's right. Making something "consumer only" or "dummy only" is pointless. And There is absolutely no point of developing an OS with understanding of "our userbase is a bunch of retards" then you get "let's remove launcher-click minimize option cuz it's confusing as hell" - Yet, they have Compiz... One, pointless window manager that has no flexibility rather than a bunch of animations.

                              And I'm not saying all should use Gentoo or Arch or kernel-only (lol?!) I'm just repeating what Linus said;

                              "If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will use it."

                              Nothing more than that. But opposite behaviours or actions cause us more and more populist idiots who complain a lot. Like these "graphics" discussion. I believe judging a fun game through graphics is [fill the blank]. - But why? Why we have people who think "if we have more shiny things we'll have more users" Because of this behaviour.. Because we didn't understand that we're in goddamn 20-freaking-13 and capitalism requires more capable employees with ability to use a computer rather than using microsoft word.

                              That's what I'm saying. If you see a person who claims "I don't have time to search for a problem/a solution" just say "you're a f-ing liar"

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X