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  • #16
    Originally posted by shmerl View Post
    I'm not sure 100%. If it works for distribution only - then there is nothing wrong there. May be someone who uses Steam regularly can clarify. The impression I got from other people is that it's not just a distribution channel, but in order to run games you need to run the client (which is DRM).
    Here is the situation. Games made by Valve themselves use Steam works DRM. Developers of other games can choose to use this DRM, their own/third party DRM or no DRM at all. AFAIK (I have not done this myself), with some games, like Dungeons of Dredmor and Steel Storm, you can copy the files over from the steam directory and run them on a machine without steam. As a matter of fact. Before Steam Linux beta, if you buy the Windows versions of these 2 games, linux binaries were in the directory and you could copy them to Linux! However Steam specific features like achievements will not work. I have heard for some games Steam is a dependency and you do need the client.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by shmerl View Post
      I'm not sure 100%. If it works for distribution only - then there is nothing wrong there. May be someone who uses Steam regularly can clarify. The impression I got from other people is that it's not just a distribution channel, but in order to run games you need to run the client (which is DRM).
      As someone who has Steam running all the time with 138 games attached to my Steam account, I will put it like this it is a games(and recently software in general) distribution platform that also happens to provide DRM and community features. The DRM features are optional for the developers since obviously as any other download service it will gladly download .exe's that don't use Steam's DRM related functions. However most games do use it for DRM(if not the vast majority) as well.

      But the thing is among gamers Steam's DRM is well respected as it is seen as the least intrusive and often is combined with other features such as achievements and multiplayer matchmaking and the like. Steam's DRM does not limit installs or the like, nor does it require constant connection to the internet, the problem is that SOME games on Steam use other forms of more intrusive DRM either instead of or in addition to that provided by Steam. There is even a community maintained online list of all games with 3rd party DRM on them. Steam has an offline mode so that if you lose your internet connection you can still play your games, it also has a feature that allows you to back up your library of games to DVD's and the like.

      About the only restriction Steam's DRM provides is the inability to play a game on multiple systems simultaneously. But you can install a game on as many systems as you like. I actively boycott any game that requires a constant online connection and/or has hardware authentication and/or limited installs/authentications and/or uses Microsoft's Games For Windows Live or EA's Origin for their DRM. But I will more than happily get a game that uses Valve's Steamworks so long as there is no 3rd party DRM.

      Edit:

      To clarify for games using Steam's DRM, yes you do need Steam running in the background and it will be launched when running the games executable. But it is pretty lightweight and totally unobtrusive and offers a number of features such as community chat.
      Last edited by Kristian Joensen; 11-18-2012, 03:35 PM.

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      • #18
        I see. Still, I'd rather support distributors who don't encourage (or even strongly discourage) any DRM usage. For example GOG doesn't accept games with DRM at all. They simply only sell DRM free games. Humble Bundle also are DRM free. These are kind of distributors which I like to support. Even though GOG didn't get to shipping Linux games yet. (Feel free to vote for it).
        Last edited by shmerl; 11-18-2012, 03:44 PM.

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        • #19
          I know about GoG, I have a couple of games on there.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by shmerl View Post
            I see. Still, I'd rather support distributors who don't encourage (or even strongly discourage) any DRM usage. For example GOG doesn't accept games with DRM at all. They simply only sell DRM free games. Humble Bundle also are DRM free. These are kind of distributors which I like to support. Even though GOG didn't get to shipping Linux games yet. (Feel free to vote for it).
            Now, that we know Steam does not require DRM:
            Why don't you support developers which don't enforce DRM on us instead?

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            • #21
              Steam while doesn't require it, doesn't discourage it as well. I don't mind supporting developers who avoid DRM for sure. Actually I simply don't buy any games with DRM at all. Is there an easy way to find DRM free games on Steam (i.e. those which you can use without the client running)? But if I'd to choose between GOG and Steam, I'd go to GOG first.
              Last edited by shmerl; 11-18-2012, 03:54 PM.

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              • #22
                As far as DRM free games on Steam goes there aren't a whole lot, but id Software has a bunch of games on there that have had their source code GPL'ed and in those cases you can buy the games from Steam and download alternative DRM free binaries. A couple of games that are supposed to be available on Steam in a DRM free form where mentioned earlier in this thread. But Steel Storm: Burning Retribution is one example, it uses the Darkplaces engine which is based on id's release of the Quake 1 source code.

                Edit:

                So in other words it is a game with a GPL'ed codebase.

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                • #23
                  Well, just for a couple of games I wouldn't register on Steam. But if they have an easy way to filter games by DRM free criteria - I don't mind much, since there might be more in the future.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by shmerl View Post
                    I see. Still, I'd rather support distributors who don't encourage (or even strongly discourage) any DRM usage. For example GOG doesn't accept games with DRM at all. They simply only sell DRM free games. Humble Bundle also are DRM free. These are kind of distributors which I like to support. Even though GOG didn't get to shipping Linux games yet. (Feel free to vote for it).
                    There is also Desura, which is in of itself DRM free, although some distributors (such as LGP) do ship with some third-party DRM. Desura also has a client available, but you are not dependant on this client to run the games, and you can even bypass it completely and handle your game purchases independently through it's online interface. My only real complaint with their model is that there should be better labelling for products that do have third-party DRM, as this was something that was promised back when they were first doing their Linux launch but they seem rather lax about it at the moment.

                    I do hope that developers that do not use Steamworks but are porting their titles over because of Steam do consider using third-party sellers as well though - I am not willing to get a Steam account as things stand.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by shmerl View Post
                      Well, just for a couple of games I wouldn't register on Steam. But if they have an easy way to filter games by DRM free criteria - I don't mind much, since there might be more in the future.
                      Well that is something they don't have. Is there anything in particular you don't like about DRM or it is more of a principled stance?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by entropy View Post
                        If this is a strict requirement, then I to agree with you.

                        But is that really true? Isn't it possible to use Steam for distribution only (if the game company intends to),
                        so that you can copy the game-related SteamApps folder to another computer and launch it there
                        without Steam (and 3rd party DRM)?
                        That actually depends on the game. On Windows, if it requires something that it writes to the registry, then you also have to do a "backup" of that into a reg file before you can do that. Probably not that applicable on Linux, though, but it could be possible for the games to install something outside their directory as well?

                        Originally posted by entropy View Post
                        Now, that we know Steam does not require DRM:
                        Why don't you support developers which don't enforce DRM on us instead?
                        Ha, gotcha. Valve as developers do enforce DRM on you. Every Valve game that I know of uses Steam with DRM. Not sure about the first Half-Life, though.

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                        • #27
                          I don't even bother without Steam when gaming (on Windows and Linux). Steamworks is just a must for community chat, joining friends' servers and playing together, saving savegames and screenshots in the cloud, doing backups, getting updates automatically etc.. This is 2012, I don't want to look for where I can get my games and extract the .run or .sh and look if it's the newest version... Steam is simply the best solution for gaming hands down. It's like using your Google account for GMail. It works perfect.

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                          • #28
                            Indeed Steamworks is pure awesome. For reference here is Valve's page on what they offer developers/publishers, including the bit about the DRM: http://www.steampowered.com/steamwor...ngservices.php

                            Here is the page on what they offer gamers: http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/gameservices.php

                            There is a reason for many people being excited for Steam coming to Linux, and yes their library of games is huge part of that, but there are many Steam fans out there based on all the features they have to offer.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Kristian Joensen View Post
                              Well that is something they don't have. Is there anything in particular you don't like about DRM or it is more of a principled stance?
                              It's a principled stance. I don't want to encourage any DRM distribution. That's why I'm rather supporting GOG, than Valve/Steam. I appreciate the interest of the later in Linux gaming though, since they seem even being able to affect drivers makers from Nvidia to improve the quality. That's the reason I'm excited, not that they expand DRM into the Linux world. I'm not familiar with Desura much - will have to look into it.
                              Last edited by shmerl; 11-18-2012, 06:59 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Well if it is a principled stance, I certainly both understand and commend that. The GoG guys, just like Valve are some of the most awesome/customer friendly guys in the industry.

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