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  • #76
    Originally posted by nir2142 View Post
    i dont understand why valve open steam for linux just for 1000 user.
    it is beta version!!! so why not open this beta to all user?? the more is better , no?
    I wasn't invited to the beta.

    Interesting side-note. The client finished downloading steel storm and when I launched it it asked if I wanted to run the 32-bit or 64-bit version. Woot!

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    • #77
      Originally posted by nir2142 View Post
      i dont understand why valve open steam for linux just for 1000 user.
      it is beta version!!! so why not open this beta to all user?? the more is better , no?
      no. The problem is, if you've many people in early stage of your beta test, for every bug found you get multiple bug reports instead of one. And the first 20 comments on each of those reports is going to be "hey, I've this bug, too!!" the next ~10 comments will be "when will this *** **** get fixed? $company sucks!!!!!!!!!oneoneone!!!".

      If you don't believe me, three things:

      1. I'm a software developer myself and encountered that exact behavior by people that were paid way more than me. And no those bugs were no 'show stoppers'
      2. head over to the wine bug database. Check the comments of some bug reports. You'll get what I mean (and yes, I went bollocks about one or two things as well.)
      3. I participated in a few beta tests over the years. Let's just say it's really for the better to limit the amount of people and gradually increase the amount over time. You want to fix bugs first that are encountered by most people, regardless of operating system or graphiccard or whatever. Plain programming errors. After those are fixed, you go on to fix things that are only encountered when certain preconditions are met.

      Also, just as a hint, using more than one punctuation character of the same type in a row makes it hard to read a post and increases the probability of the reader thinking that you are just an immature kid. Which, in most cases, doesn't really help you.
      Last edited by Detructor; 11-08-2012, 02:24 AM.

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      • #78
        i understand what you mean BUT i see companies that have developed bug report that minimized or indexing if there is more then one bug report about the same bug (or even they sometimes have automated delete comments from database about the same bug)
        as you can see its very easy solution to solve that.

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        • #79
          To my knowledge, Valve is currently using a hidden forum to work out bug reports. They've never had any public bug trackers in the past, have they? I guess the forum was the easiest way for them to get things rolling, though it definitely makes it hard to organize bugs. If you look at the public Linux Beta Client forum, un-authorized users have already taken it upon themselves to try to organize bugs into indexed posts.

          Maybe we can push Valve to get a proper bug tracker up for when the expanded beta goes live.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by benmoran View Post
            To my knowledge, Valve is currently using a hidden forum to work out bug reports. They've never had any public bug trackers in the past, have they? I guess the forum was the easiest way for them to get things rolling, though it definitely makes it hard to organize bugs. If you look at the public Linux Beta Client forum, un-authorized users have already taken it upon themselves to try to organize bugs into indexed posts.

            Maybe we can push Valve to get a proper bug tracker up for when the expanded beta goes live.
            now what I would like to know is when the next wave of invites are due AND when dota2 is getting added

            seems to be an issue with the notification area at the moment

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            • #81
              @Artemis3

              When you create live images you have to turn that default off otherwise you end up with a huge iso with lots of unused packages. The default for Kanotix is logically then install without recommends. If a package "needs" recommends then is is wrongly packaged - you can not rely on this feature.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by nir2142 View Post
                i understand what you mean BUT i see companies that have developed bug report that minimized or indexing if there is more then one bug report about the same bug (or even they sometimes have automated delete comments from database about the same bug)
                as you can see its very easy solution to solve that.
                well why should you solve a problem that you don't need to have?

                Why would Valve want to solve that problem (which is certainly not 'easy to solve'. It's possible to solve it but it's certainly not 'easy' and it also would result in needing a bigger/better server since you need to check all other bug reports and not only by using the exact text but you need to throw words around and search the entire database multiple times. And even a company like Valve isn't going to buy a high-end server if a virtualized server will do the job just as good) if they don't need to?

                In that stage of the beta phase they want to fix obvious bugs. It doesn't matter if you've 100, 1000 or 10000 people looking at the program. They all find the same bugs.

                @Naib you should probably try Heroes of Newerth.
                Last edited by Detructor; 11-08-2012, 08:17 AM.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Detructor View Post

                  @Naib you should probably try Heroes of Newerth.
                  Im a global mod on the HoN forums, tech for HoN, SBT/RCT for hon and some general tester
                  doesn't change the fact I like dota2 as well

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Naib View Post
                    Im a global mod on the HoN forums, tech for HoN, SBT/RCT for hon and some general tester
                    doesn't change the fact I like dota2 as well
                    oh...you are Naib erhm...yeah, of course I knew that! *cough*

                    anyway, just found the official press release: http://store.steampowered.com/news/9289/ thought I should share it.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Detructor View Post
                      it just says that I've no internet connection o_0.
                      I use Firefox and i can use :

                      firefox steam://run/22010

                      Not that i use this method....i simply log in via Steam Client and launch the game from my Library...
                      Last edited by AJSB; 11-08-2012, 09:23 AM.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by ElderSnake View Post
                        Amnesia works great

                        Only other ones I've personally tried are Uplink and yes, World of Goo

                        However there is a list, as seen in this G+ post: https://plus.google.com/u/0/10276686...ts/XbkZNofAjXp

                        So there's others there that work like Trine 2, Dungeons of Dredmore etc.

                        Are you in the Beta ? If not, how did you mannaged to play Amenesia and Trine 2 ?

                        I only mannaged search for linux games in the store, and installed the World of Goo Demo and it's working flawless

                        Unity of Command: Stalingrad Compagian fails to to install any files at all (gonna test the staandalone Beta/Demo/whatever from the game devs to see what happens)....

                        If i try to do same with Amenesia or Trine 2 demos , it says that it's not for my plantform

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by ElderSnake View Post
                          Amnesia works great

                          Only other ones I've personally tried are Uplink and yes, World of Goo

                          However there is a list, as seen in this G+ post: https://plus.google.com/u/0/10276686...ts/XbkZNofAjXp

                          So there's others there that work like Trine 2, Dungeons of Dredmore etc.

                          Are you in the Beta ? If not, how did you mannaged to play Amenesia and Trine 2 ?

                          I only mannaged search for linux games in the store, and installed the World of Goo Demo and it's working flawless

                          Unity of Command: Stalingrad Compagian fails to to install any files at all (gonna test the staandalone Beta/Demo/whatever from the game devs to see what happens)....

                          If i try to do same with Amenesia or Trine 2 demos , it says that it's not for my plantform

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                          • #88
                            I've posted here http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410...5239722194376/ but their community, at least here, are really slow, and sometimes I can't see any post there...

                            It's just a simple package (it just 2 files long :P) that add at your login screen the option to play STEAM Big Picture without any DE!

                            https://github.com/thor27/steam-login/

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                            • #89
                              you just need to own them on steam.
                              i can play trine 2 too.

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                              • #90
                                Hi, this is my lil' feedback for a non-elected Quantal user, just a few hours ago

                                World of Goo demo OK: easy to add
                                Amnesia demo OK: some libs required

                                any other game known to work with the marginal beta testers?

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