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    Phoronix: Canonical Recently Visited Valve To Talk About Ubuntu

    Canonical and Valve are warming up to each other after a recent visit to the Valve headquarters in Bellevue...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE3MTk

  • #2
    Meh, I really hope we will be easily able to run Steam and the games on other distributions as well.

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    • #3
      If they tie Steam into the package manager so that updates to Steam games show up in the system updater then that would make me very happy

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      • #4
        Surely this has been going on for longer than just recently, right?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Compholio View Post
          If they tie Steam into the package manager so that updates to Steam games show up in the system updater then that would make me very happy
          I don't get why this should be done any differently than on Windows? Steam updating itself without dependency on a third party package manager contributes to it beeing distro agnostic.

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          • #6
            Ubuntu is full retards. I hope steam will run on my god blessed Gentoo distribution.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by zhark View Post
              I don't get why this should be done any differently than on Windows? Steam updating itself without dependency on a third party package manager contributes to it beeing distro agnostic.
              It ties in to the windows installer, games can be removed using either windows control panel or steam it self. Windows just doesn't have a good way to update installed software.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by zhark View Post
                I don't get why this should be done any differently than on Windows? Steam updating itself without dependency on a third party package manager contributes to it beeing distro agnostic.
                Because Windows doesn't provide a service for updating 3rd party software. This feature would provide a level of convenience for Linux users that would make Steam far superior under Linux when compared to other platforms. They wouldn't even need to build "real" packages to provide this benefit, just generic "launch steam and update" packages (with appropriate version information). At that level that's something that is easy to run through alien and provide repositories for the vast majority of popular distros. If you don't run a supported distro then that's fine, but if you do then you get a nice little update reminder when Steam needs to update your games.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by disgrace View Post
                  Ubuntu is full retards. I hope steam will run on my god blessed Gentoo distribution.
                  =)

                  I don't want Ubuntu coders there that's for sure. Linux FWA(Fhack Windows & Apple)!

                  If there isn't and package manager tie-ins. Your God blessed Gentoo(A very fast penguin indeed) box will run it with some effort.

                  If Ubuntu does get package manager dependencies Valve would be as good as dead to Linux.

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                  • #10
                    Performance regressions with Compiz/Unity and nVidia in Unbuntu 12.04 and 12.10

                    It is indeed an exiting time and a big opportunity for Ubuntu and Linux. However, the performance regressions in 11.10 -> 12.04 -> 12.10 are disastrous as described in this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...iz/+bug/964788. There are many similar bugs affecting users mostly with nVidia hardware (https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1042167, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ty/+bug/988079, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...y/+bug/1005074, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ty/+bug/987304, ..) which is ironical since gaming is the main reason to choose nVidia. I imagine most people will just try one of the new, more demanding games and experiencing bad performance will be thinking it's the game's fault or linux's, while without compiz/unity everything would work just fine.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by nightmarex View Post
                      =)

                      I don't want Ubuntu coders there that's for sure. Linux FWA(Fhack Windows & Apple)!

                      If there isn't and package manager tie-ins. Your God blessed Gentoo(A very fast penguin indeed) box will run it with some effort.

                      If Ubuntu does get package manager dependencies Valve would be as good as dead to Linux.
                      Well the optimal would be for them to write a packagekit backend that they're plugging into if they're going to provide updates and such that way, and then that works cross-distro for free after the initial writing. It seems like even Slackware is supported by Packagekit via slapt. http://lists.freedesktop.org/archive...er/004150.html .

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LostinSpacetime View Post
                        It is indeed an exiting time and a big opportunity for Ubuntu and Linux. However, the performance regressions in 11.10 -> 12.04 -> 12.10 are disastrous as described in this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...iz/+bug/964788. There are many similar bugs affecting users mostly with nVidia hardware (https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1042167, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ty/+bug/988079, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...y/+bug/1005074, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ty/+bug/987304, ..) which is ironical since gaming is the main reason to choose nVidia. I imagine most people will just try one of the new, more demanding games and experiencing bad performance will be thinking it's the game's fault or linux's, while without compiz/unity everything would work just fine.
                        As I've said times and times again on the forums, these performance issues are being sorted. Ubuntu 12.04 will soon get Unity 5.16 which fixes huge performance issues with the Unity plugin and will improve quite a bit. However, Compiz also has huge performance problems which are not going to get resolved with an Ubuntu 12.04 update. Few days ago, the first important update for Ubuntu 12.10 (development) has been pushed, based on Compiz 0.9.8 lp3319 and fixes major performance issues within Compiz. Compiz 0.9.8.0 is coming very soon including improved performance with Sync to Vblank enabled (which is the default anyway), and Compiz 0.9.8.2 with further performance improvements is already in development. The final release of Ubuntu 12.10 will probably have 99% of all performance issues experienced with Compiz & Unity sorted out once and for all. But with the forthcoming Unity 5.16 update for Ubuntu 12.04, many people will be just fine running that already.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by d2kx View Post
                          As I've said times and times again on the forums, these performance issues are being sorted. Ubuntu 12.04 will soon get Unity 5.16 which fixes huge performance issues with the Unity plugin and will improve quite a bit. However, Compiz also has huge performance problems which are not going to get resolved with an Ubuntu 12.04 update. Few days ago, the first important update for Ubuntu 12.10 (development) has been pushed, based on Compiz 0.9.8 lp3319 and fixes major performance issues within Compiz. Compiz 0.9.8.0 is coming very soon including improved performance with Sync to Vblank enabled (which is the default anyway), and Compiz 0.9.8.2 with further performance improvements is already in development. The final release of Ubuntu 12.10 will probably have 99% of all performance issues experienced with Compiz & Unity sorted out once and for all. But with the forthcoming Unity 5.16 update for Ubuntu 12.04, many people will be just fine running that already.
                          I believe the Unity 5.16 update is scheduled for January 31 with 12.04.2?

                          It may be better to upgrade to 12.10. Unless 5.16 hits precise-proposed.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Compholio View Post
                            If they tie Steam into the package manager so that updates to Steam games show up in the system updater then that would make me very happy
                            Personally I would hate this. I like keeping my games and proprietary software separate from my system packages, and I personally favour how Desura handles this. As others have also noted, it would increase the support burden and potentially lock the software into certain distros rather than allowing it to be truly cross-distro. So I personally hope that they do not do this.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by LostinSpacetime View Post
                              However, the performance regressions in 11.10 -> 12.04 -> 12.10 are disastrous as described in this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...iz/+bug/964788. There are many similar bugs affecting users mostly with nVidia hardware.
                              My AMD/ATI Radeon HD 4770 works quite well between "[fglrx] ASIC hang happened" incidents.

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