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  • #46
    Just out of curiosity isn't it possible to have some type of sandbox with linux for running apps you don't "trust"?? ie make it impossible for these apps to harm the kernel.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by frantaylor View Post
      OSX is mainstream

      Is it REALLY that different from linux???

      WHERE OH WHERE ARE the "plenty" of OSX viruses?

      "Linux as an inherently secure system is, at least, dangerous."

      CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW DICTIONARY!!!! NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING IS "INHERENTLY" SECURE!!!

      Between lies and self-fulfilling statements you didn't say ANYTHING AT ALL!
      Hello, are you the new aggressive boy in town?
      These forums seem to attract a bunch of unpolite people lately.
      Btw, you quoted me wrong on the sentence with the word you had to look up in a dictonary.

      OSX is still not mainstream for virus authors, with an approximate user base of less than 10 %.
      The amount of new viruses, thus, do not necessarily correlate with the level of security.
      http://www.bgr.com/2012/04/26/apple-...y-expert-says/

      Same goes for Linux.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Prince781 View Post
        Is it not unreasonable to assume, according to your own self-proclamation, that your website operates under the premise of providing news of interest to Linux and open-source enthusiasts? If so, then how does one find such an unimportant (or rather, simply not newsworthy) piece as this? I fail to see how a piece only showcasing one man's criticism of Windows has anything to do with Linux or open-source.
        Well, you know that's a little ironic. I don't know how much you've rethought your position but you'd think that based on the language you use it'd be a fair bet that a person like this would at least be able to read the whole news (or if you did, you had other things on your mind).

        Because, as everybody else noticed, things clearly go beyond just bashing Windows 8:
        Originally posted by Gabe Newell
        “The big problem that is holding back Linux is games. People don’t realize how critical games are in driving consumer purchasing behavior.
        “We want to make it as easy as possible for the 2,500 games on Steam to run on Linux as well. It’s a hedging strategy.
        it will be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality.
        Originally posted by Michael Larabel
        He also comments how he likes open platforms.
        So, showcasing criticism in regards to Windows? Yeah. But nothing else? Loads of it, really.

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        • #49
          PowerShell is a step forward...

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          • #50
            @PeterKraus

            At TUM there have been no public systems with Win for CS students when i was there, only HP UX, Irix, Sun OS, later Linux. I don't see a Win dominance in that field, maybe when you study something else than CS you could be "forced" to use apps that do not work with Linux. But basically you get professional tools like Mathematica or Maple for Linux as well (often preinstalled on public systems) so i see no problem for mathematics. Compared to those apps Excel and Calc is for beginners. I highly doubt that you could be forced to use ms office. Can you tell me which software you are forced to use which is Win only?

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Kano View Post
              @PeterKraus

              At TUM there have been no public systems with Win for CS students when i was there, only HP UX, Irix, Sun OS, later Linux. I don't see a Win dominance in that field, maybe when you study something else than CS you could be "forced" to use apps that do not work with Linux. But basically you get professional tools like Mathematica or Maple for Linux as well (often preinstalled on public systems) so i see no problem for mathematics. Compared to those apps Excel and Calc is for beginners. I highly doubt that you could be forced to use ms office. Can you tell me which software you are forced to use which is Win only?
              Not peter but anyway.

              Autocad is an example. Solidworks is another. There are alternatives of course but when something is considered an "industry standard" people want it even if they don't "need" it and are directed to it. Another example is Photoshop. If you are a graphic designer and ask for a job i a company they will probably ask for photoshop illustrator etc no matter if you are a gimp or inkscape wizard.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by entropy View Post
                I highly doubt that the popularity of Linux + Mac OS provide a good reason yet to focus on these systems.
                What are typical Windows-like viruses?
                They are valid targets. Windows like viruses don't need to be run manually like the ones on Linux and OS X. You visit some site or just connects to Internet and that's all. If something similar will happen on Linux it lives only few hours and becomes dead. Windows 7 have flaws that comes from DOS, so maybe that's a good reason (tm) to write viruses.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Prince781 View Post
                  How ridiculous. I rather not enumerate, but there exists a multitude of reasons as to why Windows is preferred over Linux in certain scenarios. It doesn't mean that the idea for Windows-only developmental interest should be held; however, you're fooling yourself if you think the userbase size and compatability is the only thing keeping it "alive."
                  Well, if you take a look how big gaming community is compared to some graphic or office folks it can be said Windows lives thanks to games. There are no reasons others than availability of software.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by johnc View Post
                    But all you need to do is trick a dumb (read: average) user into granting administrator privileges and you're screwed on Linux too.

                    It really wouldn't be hard to knock out an average user's Linux system, since escalating privileges is such a common user action.

                    And now with Ubuntu 12.04 you don't even need to grant administrator privileges to update already-installed software. If a PPA could be compromised, you could screw every user out there.

                    Look what was possible with a previous version of GNOME (and it really wasn't a "bug" per se): http://youtu.be/9HxFGQ8OpYw

                    Get a bunch of non-sophisticated users on Linux and it wouldn't be much better than Windows.
                    There's no easy way to stop newbies from infecting their systems. However, if they will be properly educated and they will just use official repositories, steam and few trusted ppa's they are safe. Btw. it's too early to worry about this.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                      Intrinsic, ingrained, etc. Sure, "Inherently" is a perfectly good way to describe Linux security.
                      Especially when you're comparing it against balmerOS security.

                      The difference is this;
                      balmerOS originated as a SINGLE USER LIGHT WEIGHT operating system, designed for "PC's". It was originally called "DOS", and was low security because it was never expected that it would interact with networks or anything potentially hostile, PLUS, the physical limitations of an Intel 8086 with 640 kB RAM (or less...) really limited how far you could go with security. As the hardware advanced, they added more and more layers of glitter on top of DOS, but needed to maintain backwards compatibility through every step, hence they never really got away from the "single user mode" that was the main reason why their software was so easily compromised. Security on balmerOS is basically a practice in smoke and mirrors -- get an industrial fan and a rock, and it all goes away.
                      Pure non-sense. The "Windows on top of DOS" model was last implemented with Windows ME in 2000, about 12 years ago. After that all newer versions were built on top of the NT kernel, a modern kernel that has nothing to do with DOS at all and needed in its first versions at least a 80386 to work (same as Linux). All modern versions have a very good security model, more advanced than the pure UNIX permission system. It is more something that you can compare with SELinux. The problem is that Microsoft disables most of it by default on consumer versions of Windows, for a very simple reason: most users don't want it. They disable even UAC, because they don't want to make one extra-click i exchange for being more secure.

                      If you want to compare two OSes then make some serious research before posting such BS, otherwise you just sound like a trollish Linux zealot.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by johnc View Post
                        But all you need to do is trick a dumb (read: average) user into granting administrator privileges and you're screwed on Linux too.

                        It really wouldn't be hard to knock out an average user's Linux system, since escalating privileges is such a common user action.
                        Then user is the weakest link when it comes to security regardless the operating system. In that case, it is all about social engineering. At lease security layers like SELinux should mitigate the damage and the tight policy of Policykit will make the life of crackers harder should they want to attempt for the rest of the life.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by d2kx View Post
                          Windows 8 is a train wreck and the Windows Marketplace is no threat to Steam at all. Basicly, Steam = PC gaming scene today.
                          Do a reality check valve are only allowed to do steam because of anti monopole law in Europe and the USA if the market share of windows drops below the official "monopole" line Microsoft just turn of steam instantly.
                          The result without anti trust regulation is a instant death of valve and steam because they do not have any market power compared to the market power of Microsoft or Apple.
                          Overall steam do not have any relevance because the PC game market is only 5% of the overall market and steam do not have 100% of the pc market this means steam do only have a total market share of 2-3% in the best case.

                          In other words: a pimple on the ass of the reality.

                          On the other side steam is "PC-Windows" hardware this means you do a cross-subsidize of your driver support money with a rate of 95% to windows with every hardware you buy for linux this means you lose from start one without any hope.
                          You can only escape this trap if you use WINDOWS-incompatible hardware like Loongson. But Valve will not use X86 incompatible hardware.

                          Overall valve only exists because of antitrust laws otherwise Microsoft would kill valve in a second.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by maldorordiscord View Post
                            Overall steam do not have any relevance because the PC game market is only 5% of the overall market
                            [citation needed]
                            Edit: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/97...rtake-consoles
                            Last edited by kwahoo; 07-26-2012, 01:57 PM.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by kwahoo View Post
                              Overall do not mean PC+Console it does mean--> console+PC+smart-phone and so one and so one. (smart-phone do have a bigger grow than the pc much bigger)

                              MIcrosoft without antitrust just do it like the "Netscape Navigator" case they just bundle there app store with any OEM windows version sold and make a software installation of steam as hard as possible or just turn of the choice of installing an alternate app store.

                              With antitrust its just not the direct way but the result is the same.

                              Valve is not the BIG one who can force the market in there direction.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                                Luckily they posted their first loss this quarter. Goodbye and good riddance of Microsoft cancer!
                                Their most recent report was actually very positive. Yes they took a huge hit on the aQuantive deal and that was reflected as a loss.

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