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  • #31
    Originally posted by dimko View Post
    People getting off is necessary evil. People who do , don't have sex, which is beneficial to them and others. I open myself here up on troll attack. Hitler.

    Majority make up commonly accepted morality. This majority I was talking about have created laws that i like and follow in country where I live and some other places too. Dismissing it is also not a good tactics. AFAIK, pedophilia is restricted here in Germany. In most of countries too.
    Hmmm, I posted a reply to this previously but it never showed up.

    Anyway, my point was that Carmageddon is market price, the free market is voluntary (as long as we're talking about a true free market here, not some socialist dictatorship) so you're not forced to buy a game that has a certain level of violence.

    So it's not outrageous, it's market price.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by dimko View Post
      For some people its ok, for others it may be traumatic, heck, they may do some crazy shit cause of that.
      Such people shouldn't watch news and read newspapers. I think it even may give worse result than playing in karma.

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      • #33
        LOL

        Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
        Yes, that is why it is heroic. These people do not choose to be pedophiles, they are born that way, and if they fight these urges because they know it would be wrong to actually act on them, they are fighting their own gratification and urges for a greater good. That fits your definition perfectly.
        Must, not, FAP, MUST, STAY, HERO!!

        Morality is defined by masses. What one perceives as morality, is not necessary morality. Heck i give you back example. I think killing grandmas and kittens is good, hence i am good man. It doesn't work that way. Also I am against censorship, but not against self censorship, that's what i was preaching.
        Calling a nutjob a hero, just because he holds himself in his hands is wrong. Same applies to pedophile. And while i consider gay people do evil in a sense, I wont do anything against them, as their business doesn't concern me, they do not harm society(much) or me personally.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by dimko View Post
          And while i consider gay people do evil in a sense, I wont do anything against them, as their business doesn't concern me, they do not harm society(much) or me personally.
          I'm... pretty sure no one is going to take anything else you say seriously now. You just lost your poorly constructed argument. Grats.

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          • #35
            And your poor for evidence

            Originally posted by KameZero View Post
            I'm... pretty sure no one is going to take anything else you say seriously now. You just lost your poorly constructed argument. Grats.
            statement supposed to make me upset?
            Gay people can't conceive kids. By definition of life and nature - they are not normal. I don't hold that against them, though what I say may offend them. Every normal sample of any specie supposed to prolong its kind and benefit to genetic pool. Gays can't do that, not the second part anyway.
            I have arguments, You don't.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by dimko View Post
              statement supposed to make me upset?
              Gay people can't conceive kids. By definition of life and nature - they are not normal. I don't hold that against them, though what I say may offend them. Every normal sample of any specie supposed to prolong its kind and benefit to genetic pool. Gays can't do that, not the second part anyway.
              I have arguments, You don't.
              Nonsense, take samples of mammals all over the world and you will find homosexual individuals in almost any species. Homosexual people are as normal as you and me and my dog and the cats from my neighbor, ... .

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              • #37
                Mutation

                Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                Nonsense, take samples of mammals all over the world and you will find homosexual individuals in almost any species. Homosexual people are as normal as you and me and my dog and the cats from my neighbor, ... .
                That is destined to die out. mongoloid syndrome is common amongst our specie, it doesn't mean it's normal, certainly it is acceptable. Much more acceptable, then serial killer. Ou sorry, heroe...

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by dimko View Post
                  That is destined to die out.
                  Even more nonsense. Since homosexual people don't reproduce they are themselves not responsible for producing new homosexuals. It are heterosexual members of the species that are producing homosexual individuals. And since homosexual individuals are so widespread amongst the whole planet in many different species they seem to be here for a long time period, which indicates that there are in fact not dying out.

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                  • #39
                    So, from HiB to Carmageddon to Morality to Homosexuality in four pages?

                    Not sure if that's a new record or just par for the course on Phoronix?

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                    • #40
                      Depends

                      Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                      Even more nonsense. Since homosexual people don't reproduce they are themselves not responsible for producing new homosexuals. It are heterosexual members of the species that are producing homosexual individuals. And since homosexual individuals are so widespread amongst the whole planet in many different species they seem to be here for a long time period, which indicates that there are in fact not dying out.
                      Still, Mongoloid syndrome folks don't reproduce, yet it still is not considered to be normal. Nor people who can't reproduce because of sexual dysfunction. Right now you are trying to struggle with majority's opinion, which I don't represent.

                      Again, just because gay people are here right now doesn't mean they will be there in a few generations away.

                      several options:
                      1) Immortality of body(unlikely), of mind.(brain is just a computer, once we can emulate it - immortality of conciseness within reach)
                      2) Selection. When 1 spermatozoid is chosen and used to fertilize egg.(from all tinkering with genome and human reproduction i'd prefer this one, but it doesn't give much to genetic variety, some parasite or sickness may wipe out everything)
                      3) Genetic programming. Mix up best genes of parents, instant genius from support tube...


                      On the other hand, we, humanity may very well become like a hive. Like working bees or something. Earth is already over populated or very close so. May be homosexuality is gonna be normal.(but than in hive, who decides what is normal anyway?)

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by dimko View Post
                        Again, just because gay people are here right now doesn't mean they will be there in a few generations away.
                        Gay animals have been here for millions of years. Why would they suddenly all die out short of a mass genocide by gay haters? (Humans are also animals btw)
                        Originally posted by dimko View Post
                        several options:
                        1) Immortality of body(unlikely), of mind.(brain is just a computer, once we can emulate it - immortality of conciseness within reach)
                        2) Selection. When 1 spermatozoid is chosen and used to fertilize egg.(from all tinkering with genome and human reproduction i'd prefer this one, but it doesn't give much to genetic variety, some parasite or sickness may wipe out everything)
                        3) Genetic programming. Mix up best genes of parents, instant genius from support tube...
                        You forgot option 4) We let adults choose who they want to be with

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by dimko View Post
                          Again, just because gay people are here right now doesn't mean they will be there in a few generations away.
                          Since we have historical evidence that gays exist on this planet for more than a few generations already it seems to be very unlikely that they will not be here in a few generations from now on. I can't see anything that counts as base for your claim that they will die out, except your personal standpoint that being gay is in some sense wrong.
                          By the way, being gay is not a sexual dysfunction, they can reproduce. If the word dysfunction is in any way right in this context it would be a psychological dysfunction.

                          Right now you are trying to struggle with majority's opinion, which I don't represent.
                          It doesn't matter if you represent that. Normal is what the majority decides to be normal, not what you think to be normal. At least here in Germany gay people are normal enough to be Minister for Foreign Affairs, regardless what you think about it..

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Ferdinand View Post
                            Gay animals have been here for millions of years. Why would they suddenly all die out short of a mass genocide by gay haters? (Humans are also animals btw)


                            You forgot option 4) We let adults choose who they want to be with
                            Choice will be done by parents. Gay people are by all means in disadvantaged situation.
                            No parent for that matter will choose his future child to be gay.(option 2 and 3)

                            Extinction != genocide. Though word extinction cannot really be used here, as specie will not likely to die, just certain failing genomes.

                            Again, I personally don't mind gay people, some people i knew in personal life and work were bisexual or gay. i won't ever tell them not to be 'normal'. it's their choice. As long as humanity can't control its own reproduction to smallest details - gay people will be.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                              Since we have historical evidence that gays exist on this planet for more than a few generations already it seems to be very unlikely that they will not be here in a few generations from now on. I can't see anything that counts as base for your claim that they will die out, except your personal standpoint that being gay is in some sense wrong.
                              By the way, being gay is not a sexual dysfunction, they can reproduce. If the word dysfunction is in any way right in this context it would be a psychological dysfunction.
                              You can divide it however you like, fact of the matter, they won't have offspring that way. it's not considered normal.

                              Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                              Since we have historical evidence that gays exist on this planet for more than a few generations already it seems to be very unlikely that they will not be here in a few generations from now on. I can't see anything that counts as base for your claim that they will die out, except your personal standpoint that being gay is in some sense wrong.
                              By the way, being gay is not a sexual dysfunction, they can reproduce. If the word dysfunction is in any way right in this context it would be a psychological dysfunction.

                              It doesn't matter if you represent that. Normal is what the majority decides to be normal, not what you think to be normal. At least here in Germany gay people are normal enough to be Minister for Foreign Affairs, regardless what you think about it..
                              Laws don't always represent common opinon of society, hence the changes.

                              Either way, its a dysfunction, you just said it yourself.(and for god sake, i didnt say gay people need to be treated or anything, unless they want to, I NEVER CLAIMED IT, they should be left alone and contribute to society in ways acceptable for them and society of healthy people)

                              Again, read my previous message. Every loving caring parent will avoid situation when their kid will be ad disadvantage. I am sure out of 100 couples 99% of people, when it will be possible to predict or even choose traits of future born will want their child not to be gay, as it doesn't give any advantages. Guess, how many generations will pass before disadvantageous genetic traits, like Mongoloid syndrome, homosexuality or sudden death syndrome are wiped out from genetic pool?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by dimko View Post
                                Either way, its a dysfunction, you just said it yourself.
                                I said:
                                If the word dysfunction is in any way right in this context it
                                Should be pretty clear that I am not believing that it is a dysfunction and that this statement was only there to correct your false statement.

                                Every loving caring parent will avoid situation when their kid will be ad disadvantage. I am sure out of 100 couples 99% of people, when it will be possible to predict or even choose traits of future born will want their child not to be gay, as it doesn't give any advantages. Guess, how many generations will pass before disadvantageous genetic traits, like Mongoloid syndrome, homosexuality or sudden death syndrome are wiped out from genetic pool?
                                May it be possible that you are a bit closed minded? This is a pure first world solution to a non-existent problem. Do you really think that in a world where the larger part of humanity is illiterate and doesn't even have enough food, clear water or such luxury as electricity this will happen anytime soon?

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