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  • #11
    Mental health at stake?

    Originally posted by Ferdinand View Post
    So what is the consequence of playing carmageddon or laughing about horrible pictures? Could you point to a victim?
    For some people its ok, for others it may be traumatic, heck, they may do some crazy shit cause of that. Some may get trolled on the internetz.(Karma is a bitch) For some it may be good way to let off steam and not do this in real life. IMHO(I understrike on IMHO here), it does more damage than good. It's like war, it happens, it has some good results, but it would be better if it didn't happen.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by dimko View Post
      For some people its ok, for others it may be traumatic, heck, they may do some crazy shit cause of that. Some may get trolled on the internetz.(Karma is a bitch) For some it may be good way to let off steam and not do this in real life. IMHO(I understrike on IMHO here), it does more damage than good. It's like war, it happens, it has some good results, but it would be better if it didn't happen.
      Unfortunately war is usually forced onto the citizens of a nation. Carmageddon is not. Some individuals act in irresponsible ways; you cannot stop that. [sarcasm]I think really we should hang all knife makers because so many people decide to use knifes to kill other people.[/sarcasm]

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      • #13
        Originally posted by dimko View Post
        For some people its ok, for others it may be traumatic, heck, they may do some crazy shit cause of that. Some may get trolled on the internetz.(Karma is a bitch) For some it may be good way to let off steam and not do this in real life. IMHO(I understrike on IMHO here), it does more damage than good. It's like war, it happens, it has some good results, but it would be better if it didn't happen.
        Do you have any evidence that people that play games are heavily influenced by them? I don't believe in karma by the way imho it is just a horrible religious idea. My experience is that when I don't like something I don't do it. When I like something that does harm I try to not to do it.

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        • #14
          So far

          Originally posted by snuwoods View Post
          Unfortunately war is usually forced onto the citizens of a nation. Carmageddon is not. Some individuals act in irresponsible ways; you cannot stop that. [sarcasm]I think really we should hang all knife makers because so many people decide to use knifes to kill other people.[/sarcasm]
          Kitchen knives do more good than bad. One day when it will be other way around they will be restricted. Child porn is also not forced upon others(victims are obvious exception), still, just because it's not forced, it doesn't mean it's not bad.
          I am talking about good and bad, and consequences.

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          • #15
            So once again Windows gamers are paying slightly below average, Linux gamers way above average and nearly double that of Windows gamers, and only Valve is jumping in to support Linux as one of the top dogs? Meh...

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            • #16
              Originally posted by dimko View Post
              Kitchen knives do more good than bad. One day when it will be other way around they will be restricted. Child porn is also not forced upon others(victims are obvious exception), still, just because it's not forced, it doesn't mean it's not bad.
              I am talking about good and bad, and consequences.
              So what exactly is your stance?

              1. would you like to stop people from thinking about bad stuff?
              2. would you like to change the law so that thinking about driving 200 mph is equal to driving 200 mph?
              3. if there are no victims why do you still think it is bad?
              4. if it is your opinion that something is bad why should other people be held accountable for that?

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              • #17
                Evidence

                Originally posted by Ferdinand View Post
                Do you have any evidence that people that play games are heavily influenced by them? I don't believe in karma by the way imho it is just a horrible religious idea. My experience is that when I don't like something I don't do it. When I like something that does harm I try to not to do it.
                is that this sort of games are very ell restricted in some countries(I am not saying that this is right or wrong, id rather give freedom to those games, since what is restricted is popular), that means a lot of people think same way, and quite a few are educated smart people.

                Regarding karma, on contrary, i think its a good term. It is good consequence(as a term) of bad thing(religion). Not everything in religion is bad, but overall, it's rather bad. In my way of thinking, which is for many obvious reasons is incorrect, karma is philosophical term, not religious. There is no closer/better word. It's like butterfly effect, only more socially aimed.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by FutureSuture View Post
                  So once again Windows gamers are paying slightly below average, Linux gamers way above average and nearly double that of Windows gamers, and only Valve is jumping in to support Linux as one of the top dogs? Meh...
                  There probably just isn't a big enough market. Even Valve's intentions seem to be less about satisfying the Linux user base and more about... something else.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by dimko View Post
                    is that this sort of games are very ell restricted in some countries(I am not saying that this is right or wrong, id rather give freedom to those games, since what is restricted is popular), that means a lot of people think same way, and quite a few are educated smart people.
                    They are restricted because a few people in power think like you do. There is no evidence that countries where you can buy the game uncensored are more violent.
                    Originally posted by dimko View Post
                    Regarding karma, on contrary, i think its a good term. It is good consequence(as a term) of bad thing(religion). Not everything in religion is bad, but overall, it's rather bad. In my way of thinking, which is for many obvious reasons is incorrect, karma is philosophical term, not religious. There is no closer/better word. It's like butterfly effect, only more socially aimed.
                    The way you describe karma is how most people in the west think about it. And in that definition I agree that what comes around goes around. Most people would find that fair. But in the religion where karma comes from it means that however your life is now it is the result from one of your previous lives. This life is punishment for what your soul did in other lives.
                    That is the risk when you take a religious word that already means something and you use it differently. Kind of like how miracles happen all the time in the papers but they are never supernatural somehow...

                    The butterfly effect is about chaotic systems where you can't predict what will happen I don't see how that is like "what comes around goes around"
                    Last edited by Ferdinand; 06-05-2012, 11:37 AM.

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                    • #20
                      yes and no

                      Originally posted by Ferdinand View Post
                      So what exactly is your stance?

                      1. would you like to stop people from thinking about bad stuff?
                      2. would you like to change the law so that thinking about driving 200 mph is equal to driving 200 mph?
                      3. if there are no victims why do you still think it is bad?
                      4. if it is your opinion that something is bad why should other people be held accountable for that?
                      1 Yes. that also includes me.
                      2 No, thinking about and doing are different things, have very much different consequences
                      3 Victim is person who experiences violence, even the one who projects it
                      4 I don't think bad can be stopped, I just hope things will fail, same as this game. Being somewhat bad is in our nature. Envy will never go away, as far as there is such things like wealth, superior bodies, superior minds, yet it doesn't mean you can indulge yourself for being envy. Deal with that shit. Forcing your will on others is as bad as wishing them death, so no, forcing shit on others is bad.

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