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    Phoronix: Valve's Gabe Says "Yes" To Steam Linux This Year

    Here's the latest in the steaming excitement concerning Valve's Source Engine and Steam client coming to Linux...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTExMzA

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    I hope people won't start bugging him with various Valve (and non-Valve) related questions.

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    • #3
      So end of this year in Valve time means 2014 in real time.

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      • #4
        Still waiting for a video of Gaben actually saying it.
        If he doesn't talk about it at the E3 (tomorrow!), then I'll stick to my words & say :
        NOT BEFORE YEARS§

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ChemicalBrother View Post
          So end of this year in Valve time means 2014 in real time.
          ++ This. Seriously. As much as I do believe in Steam on Linux, no one should be counting on any release schedule from Valve for this.

          If anyone has read over the Mike Abrash blog then you'll know there's no such thing as a release schedule or even an actual deadline at Valve!

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          • #6
            Beta

            I hope to see some pre-releases.

            Alphas, betas, release candidates, etc.

            The Linux gaming community is willing to beta test, report bugs, debug, and help out.

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            • #7
              ...and a company that hasn't released any official information at all (or unofficial for that matter) about any linux work, is going to confirm everything to a random internet stranger. I'll be taking that news with the Port Hedland salt works.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mirv View Post
                ...and a company that hasn't released any official information at all (or unofficial for that matter) about any linux work, is going to confirm everything to a random internet stranger. I'll be taking that news with the Port Hedland salt works.
                Exactly.
                Who's that guy (the one who received the mail) anyway ?

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                • #9
                  I hope this is a bad joke. Commercialization and embracing of Linux by corporations threatens to turn it into yet another flavor of Android. Linux must stay a system built for its users, not for all kinds of "investors" seeking to use it as a free distribution outlet for selling their snake oil (e.g. DRM'd programs such as Steam). I want Linux to be a safe harbor presenting an alternative to the greedy and insolent practices from the likes of Microsoft, Apple, EA and Blizzard (just to name a few) and so on. Admittedly, Valve's reputation is one of best in that bunch, but let's look at the facts: Steam is DRM, and every DRM goes against the spirit of collaboration, sharing and free software.

                  I, for one, call for boycott of every DRM on Linux, first and foremost - Steam.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kirillkh View Post
                    I hope this is a bad joke. Commercialization and embracing of Linux by corporations threatens to turn it into yet another flavor of Android. Linux must stay a system built for its users, not for all kinds of "investors" seeking to use it as a free distribution outlet for selling their snake oil (e.g. DRM'd programs such as Steam). I want Linux to be a safe harbor presenting an alternative to the greedy and insolent practices from the likes of Microsoft, Apple, EA and Blizzard (just to name a few) and so on. Admittedly, Valve's reputation is one of best in that bunch, but let's look at the facts: Steam is DRM, and every DRM goes against the spirit of collaboration, sharing and free software.

                    I, for one, call for boycott of every DRM on Linux, first and foremost - Steam.
                    You do have a point.
                    When I heard about Android, I was so excited about it. When I finally got one, I felt a bit disgusted with it, but stuck with it realizing everyone else is as bad or worse.
                    I like Linux because its free, open source, and pretty free of DRM and malware.
                    Ubuntu now have a partner repository with proprietary software.
                    How long is it until we get spyware and browser toolbars, changed browser home page, popups and adware and shit like that?

                    As Linux gets increasingly commercialized the plagues of Windows and the proprietary/commercial software ecosystem infect us.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                      You do have a point.
                      When I heard about Android, I was so excited about it. When I finally got one, I felt a bit disgusted with it, but stuck with it realizing everyone else is as bad or worse.
                      I like Linux because its free, open source, and pretty free of DRM and malware.
                      Ubuntu now have a partner repository with proprietary software.
                      How long is it until we get spyware and browser toolbars, changed browser home page, popups and adware and shit like that?

                      As Linux gets increasingly commercialized the plagues of Windows and the proprietary/commercial software ecosystem infect us.
                      Are you serious? Maybe I'm naive, but doesn't the GPL pretty much protect us from having this kind of stuff forced down our throat? Don't like something that gets merged into an open project? Fork it! There'll always be choices of other distros aswell.

                      Having big commercial companies backing Linux has ALWAYS been the case (Red Hat, IBM, etc), and it's only improved things as a whole for the ecosystem. I'm surprised anyone could see this as a bad thing. If you don't like it, no worries, don't use it, but don't bag it when it could easily improve some of the tools you use everyday. Not convinced? Lets wait and see then...

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                      • #12
                        I hope you realize that :
                        • This is the best opportunity for Linux to expand its user base
                        • Linus Torvalds himself is not against proprietary software, but considers free software as extreme
                        • It's not your decision whether Steam will come to Linux or not
                        • Steam coming to Linux will not alter in any way its philosophy
                        • BTW, Linux distros have so many different philosophies (look at Ubuntu, making their own store, & compare with Arch/Gentoo/Debian...)
                        • Anyway, there's no DRm'd game for Linux yet

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kirillkh View Post
                          I hope this is a bad joke. Commercialization and embracing of Linux by corporations threatens to turn it into yet another flavor of Android.
                          Oh you mean like Red Hat, IBM, Novell, HP, Dell, Cray, Amazon, and Co? Sorry but that's not how this works. The embracing of Linux by corporations provides the other half of the development. Whereas individuals and hobbyists do most of the innovation, It's Corporations who end up doing most of the grunt work that almost nobody wants to do. This allows the open source community to take advantage of both development types and taking advantage of both is really important for the real success of any software. To be blunt even with proprietary locked down programs people are still going to mod it in order to try to make it better for themselves. Obviously if it's more open then they can do it better. One of the best examples of this are Bethseda games, the games themselves are basically open source with a proprietary license attached which is the main reason people actually buy it. It's usually not to play the game itself but to mod the heck out of it.

                          Thing is ultimately the two major dynamics this will change will be massive net positives.

                          #1. Game Companies in order to have better linux support will work on improving the gaming related infrastructure (graphics drivers, the sound system, etc). After all here they're allowed to tune things unlike any other platform to do what they need, so why wouldn't they?

                          #2. Having these game companies will finally draw in gamers. Now this is massively important because it brings in the other prong properly into place for that infrastructure. And the other thing it will mean is that development of open source games for linux across all genres is very likely to see a boost. Particularly as we head into the second Age of videogaming where the age old publishers die off and distribution services like GOG and Steam, along with crowdsourced funding begin their rise. Leading to a return to the 90s and early 2000s where the Game industry was a relatively diverse place rather than rather than being restricted to a few main genres. Groups like The Dreamers Guild who had vowed to never sell their souls to publishers but eventually had to cave in, can now actually thrive because of digital distribution platforms.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kamikaze View Post
                            Are you serious? Maybe I'm naive, but doesn't the GPL pretty much protect us from having this kind of stuff forced down our throat? Don't like something that gets merged into an open project? Fork it! There'll always be choices of other distros aswell.
                            Linux kernel is GPL'd, and how did that help Android?

                            Originally posted by Kamikaze View Post
                            Having big commercial companies backing Linux has ALWAYS been the case (Red Hat, IBM, etc), and it's only improved things as a whole for the ecosystem. I'm surprised anyone could see this as a bad thing. If you don't like it, no worries, don't use it, but don't bag it when it could easily improve some of the tools you use everyday. Not convinced? Lets wait and see then...
                            Just recall uid313's point about Ubuntu pushing 'partner' stuff on us. Now note that Ubuntu is by far the biggest distro out there. How did this happen? My understanding is that Canonical and other corporate players on the Linux arena are making serious marketing efforts to attract a larger, clueless, audience to this developing 'market'. In addition to marketing, they are actively modifying the distro to appeal to the "normal" (i.e. clueless) user. You can see that, e.g., in the fact that Ubuntu chose to push Unity and scrapped Kubuntu.

                            Linux has always been a high-barier/high-gain environment. RTFM used to be the motto, and for a good reason: if you give a clueless user easy, "dumb" tools, the community loses twice:
                            1) such tools (think NetworkManager) often mingle with the OS and make advanced features harder to use by disregarding "unsupported edge cases, which 95% of the audience doesn't care about"
                            2) even worse: if a clueless user doesn't need to learn to succeed, in vast majority of cases THEY WILL NOT LEARN, and thus the community's level will degrade with time

                            My firm opinion is that the correct way to attract new users is offering a set of high-quality [self-]education tools (manuals, forums, IRC, etc.), not spoiling them with half-baked dummy tools. This is what made Linux such a good system, and this is the only way forward.

                            Now, given all that, how will the availability of DRM and tier-1 games affect this environment? I am pretty sure it will have catastrophic events, as it will be impossible for anyone with concern for free software to compete with their resources, their manpower, marketing force, features, organization, budget, etc.


                            Basically, in 5 years from now I expect the Linux scene to be fractured into a very small, even marginal, free software distros and a huge scene of "Android" distros. In no time, *these* distros will steal even the name "Linux". That will be destruction of the free software Linux as we know it. Our current free software community (still in its core, anyway...), will be marginalized and will have to start all over again.

                            I know it sounds grim and dramatic, but this is my long-term opinion about this...
                            Last edited by kirillkh; 06-04-2012, 05:53 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kirillkh View Post
                              I know it sounds grim and dramatic, but this is my long-term opinion about this...
                              ... Just because Steam is coming to Linux ?
                              Man, get real !

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