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  • #31
    Originally posted by birdie View Post
    Michael, please, stop posting things which barely even resemble rumors.
    I do hope Michael will lend some attention to the GOG request which has gathered a considerable number of votes sometime. Steam is great, but despite that, along with GOG being much smaller, GOG's policies have pulled me away from Steam and have made me an avid GOG user. If Michael typed up a piece on GOG which could easily be a few paragraphs more and wouldn't be based on a screenshot, I would be more than happy.

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    • #32
      It's a photoshop. I was the one who sent it to phoronix. I was trolling phoronix, but didn't think phoronix would actually make an article out of it. Anyway it's fake, sorry guys for trolling you

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      • #33
        Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
        It's a photoshop. I was the one who sent it to phoronix. I was trolling phoronix, but didn't think phoronix would actually make an article out of it. Anyway it's fake, sorry guys for trolling you
        That's a rather stupid thing to say, isn't it? I mean, there's no version of this claim which doesn't make you out to be a liar. If you really did make this up and sent it in, then you were deliberately trying to cause harm for your amusement. This makes you a dick. You're not clever, helpful, or particularly mature.

        If you didn't make this up, then you're lying to us all now, and you're deliberately trying to cause harm for your amusement. This also makes you a dick. You're still not clever, helpful, or particularly mature.

        No matter how you justify this, I, for one, can never believe another word you say. You have damaged your own integrity in an attempt to make Michael look bad. Go to your room.

        Logic'd.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
          It's a photoshop. I was the one who sent it to phoronix. I was trolling phoronix, but didn't think phoronix would actually make an article out of it. Anyway it's fake, sorry guys for trolling you
          Hmm.. OK. That's pretty bad. Hopefully this will be a lesson learnt for Michael... though it's driving up further ad revenue for him, so he probably doesn't care. Geez, thanks AnonymousCoward

          Originally posted by kirillkh View Post
          I certainly hope you're right, but all my experience with software projects AND my common sense tell me otherwise. Namely, that the big distros will be subverted, receive an inflow of dummies and, ultimately, the corporations will steal the show, namely:
          - gaining control over the big infrastructural projects, such as desktop (Unity), browser (Chrome, WebKit), the Office suite (nevermind that it's temporarily divorced from the stupid Oracle, it'll be subverted again by someone smarter soon enough)), etc
          A little surprised you keep mentioning Ubuntu and Unity as your prime example. Debian is still going strong despite Ubuntu. GNOME is still going strong too, even though I personally avoid GNOME 3. Firefox may have lost a lot of share, but it's also still going strong and is the standard browser default on plenty of distros. You've already refuted your own claim regarding OO/Libre too.

          Originally posted by kirillkh View Post
          - gaining control over distribution process ("Our distro is awesome with BluRay, proprietary codecs, flash and Steam! It has commercial backing and thus uber-fast security updates! Just compare this to your Debian, which hasn't even seen a release in what - a decade?")
          What? Debian still have a slow, steady and stable release process. What are you getting at here? It hasn't been influenced (at least in a large way) from what I can see? (disclaimer: I cut my teeth on Fedora Core/RedHat so I'm not intimately familiar with Debian)

          Originally posted by kirillkh View Post
          - finally, marginalizing the idealistic community into small distro(s) - yeah, just like Gentoo - which doesn't have a choice but to continue using the subverted infrastructure (before it organizes itself enough to start replacing it with free alternatives). It's back to square one at that point.
          Got to disagree again. Ubuntu definitely did gain a large marketshare, and not necessarily by stealing them from other Linux distros. I also don't see that this had any significant detrimental effect on most other smaller distros.
          I know plenty of ex-Windows users whose first experience was Ubuntu and they stuck with it. I also know people who are now moving onto other Linux distros (especially since the introduction of Unity). This probably benefited other distros in turn as people became more familiar with GNU/Linux and wanted to see what distro X their neighbour used was like. IMHO, if anything it increased and diversified the general Linux userbase and bought in people that were willing to learn "a new way". This bought in valuable input from a wider range of people and improved things.

          You keep saying that distros should be targetted at USERS, yet you seem to discount the potentially valuable diverse amount of expertise that can be gained from those with less of a technical skillset and focus then yourself (the ones you refer to as "dumb users" (or was that the other guy?)). You shouldn't immediately discount other people just because they have different or not as technical skillsets as yourself, or haven't had as much time and experience using something as you have. If you make something too difficult and inaccessible then you'll alienate a potential userbase from the get go, no matter how good the documentation is.

          ...Out of curiosity what was your first distro and what made you want to try it? I'm guessing you didn't just jump straight into something like Gentoo.

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          • #35
            This thread went full retard very quickly.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by kirillkh View Post
              ...Linux used to be an OS designed with best interest of USERS in mind. If a corporation gets involved, it's not due to any kind of philanthropic intentions, but with a clear vision of exploiting the infrastructure for their gain. Sometimes...
              Wait, wait, wait, who are you to tell who's allowed to use linux? If a company wants to use linux (for whatever reason) the company IS a user! Valve wants to use linux (as a target), so Valve IS a user of linux...

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              • #37
                I emailed Gabe asking of the email exchange quoted bungie Phorinux was authentic, he said "yes".

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                • #38
                  I'm a little weird... I actually think Android is an example of a Linux success story.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by kirillkh View Post
                    - gaining control over the big infrastructural projects, such as desktop (Unity), browser (Chrome, WebKit)
                    Yeah, I sure hope no company ever gets control of the chrome codebase... you know, the google chrome codebase. Ran by google. The company. That runs the chrome codebase.

                    And nobody's forcing you to install steam on Linux. There's already tons of proprietary closed source software for Linux, some even have (gasp) DRM! Tell me, are you required to install them along with Linux? And if a company does "subvert" an open source project (which is impossible) and you don't like the changes they're making? So fucking what? Fork it and either don't take anything from them or only put in the code you do like from them. That's how open source works. That's how it's always worked. There is literally no other way FOR it to work.

                    Originally posted by mum1989 View Post
                    I try to verify this @mail :
                    http://www.mailtester.com/testmail.php

                    but when I put gaben@valvesoftware.com .... :


                    Another FAKE from bullshit Phrononix
                    ... seriously? You think it's fake because a private company doesn't allow random ip's to ping their mail servers? Really?

                    Try googling the email address, lots of people contact gave at this address and receive replies.
                    Last edited by KameZero; 06-04-2012, 02:08 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by asdx
                      Didn't AnonymousCoward said it was fake (photoshopped) or something?
                      And you trust him why? Here, watch this.


                      Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
                      It's a photoshop. I was the one who sent it to phoronix. I was trolling phoronix, but didn't think phoronix would actually make an article out of it. Anyway it's fake, sorry guys for trolling you
                      This comment is a fake. I was the one who sent it to AnonymousCoward. I was trolling AnonymousCoward, but I didn't think he'd actually make a post out if it. Anyway it's fake, sorry guys for trolling you

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by ChemicalBrother View Post
                        So end of this year in Valve time means 2014 in real time.
                        Haha, reminded me about this one:
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Time#Valve_Time

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                        • #42
                          Valve's employee handbook is amazing.

                          It helps you to understand how there still isn't a Half Life 3 yet, and why Valve Time exists.

                          http://media1.gameinformer.com/image...ook_lowres.pdf

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by kirillkh View Post
                            Linux kernel is GPL'd, and how did that help Android?
                            Please remind me how Android isn't open source.
                            The only parts of Android that aren't open source are some of the drivers, firmware, and the actual Google apps (like Maps, Earth, Navigation, etc).
                            Even their kernel changes away slowly being adopted into mainline (albeit, modified like the very recent autosleep pull).

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Kristian Joensen View Post
                              I emailed Gabe asking of the email exchange quoted bungie Phorinux was authentic, he said "yes".
                              -.- not sure if this is a joke

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by kirillkh View Post
                                I hope this is a bad joke. Commercialization and embracing of Linux by corporations threatens to turn it into yet another flavor of Android. Linux must stay a system built for its users, not for all kinds of "investors" seeking to use it as a free distribution outlet for selling their snake oil (e.g. DRM'd programs such as Steam). I want Linux to be a safe harbor presenting an alternative to the greedy and insolent practices from the likes of Microsoft, Apple, EA and Blizzard (just to name a few) and so on. Admittedly, Valve's reputation is one of best in that bunch, but let's look at the facts: Steam is DRM, and every DRM goes against the spirit of collaboration, sharing and free software.

                                I, for one, call for boycott of every DRM on Linux, first and foremost - Steam.
                                You are operating under the assumption that a move to Linux for commercial products wouldn't inspire or encourage the use of more open source software. This assumption is, of course, false, since the user is still using an open source system.

                                You're also operating under the assumption that despite being an open source platform, companies looking to make money from Linux as a targeted platform would not invest in, contribute to, or produce open source software. This assumption is also false.

                                Is EVERYONE going to magically produce open source software because the entire underlying stack is open source? No. Will some companies see the light? You bet. Who knows what is around the corner if/when Linux gets seriously popular... Perhaps some company will figure out a licensing scheme where they can sell software in source form but still maintain reasonable control of distribution... and games are just inexcusable at this point: Either dual license the engine GPL/noncommercial or just go full GPL. Sell your friggin assets. Proprietary software is important but I don't really think they need to keep the source closed for ANY reason at this point. Sure, you can sell me the software, I'll bite. But give me a friggin copy of the source with it!

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