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  • Originally posted by Ancurio View Post
    You asked them if they were working on Source for Linux. They did not answer the question.
    Instead, they said something which could really be interpreted as anything.

    Don't you guys frickin' get it? It doesn't matter at all if the emails are genuine or not.
    Just check every single correspondence which was posted in this thread.
    Never, not a single time, did they actually say ANYTHING about porting
    either Source or Steam. When they reveal it's all a huge joke,
    they'll still be able to say "y u mad bro? did we ever say anything about bringing
    our games to your platform?". And you're all gonna look really stupid then.
    If Valve are the kinds of asses that would do something designed to be obviously hurtful and insulting to the Linux community, I, for one, would be done with them. A move like the one you're suggesting would be incredibly bad PR for the company, as well as a mightily un-funny joke. I'm reserving judgement on the announcement until tomorrow, but until then Ancurio, I don't think there's any reason to be a dick.

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    • FWIW, this is the mail I just got back from Gabe:



      Originally posted by Gabe Newell
      The short term goal we are working on is getting L4D2 to run as well on Linux as Windows. Some of the problems are ours (threading) and some require work by others (non-performant driver paths).

      We've asked people to help us find driver and graphics experts to work at Valve on this.
      Last edited by d2kx; 04-01-2012, 08:03 PM.

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      • Originally posted by susikala View Post
        To be honest, if Valve were really seeking Linux programmers, do you really think they'd turn to phoronix? I mean given the course of history everyone knows that phoronix would post some populistic article about it. Wouldn't a serious company just post, you know, a job offer, as everyone else does?
        Well, on the one hand the trolling factor here is quite high, on the other hand, there are some amazing people roaming this forum...

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        • Originally posted by Larian View Post
          If Valve are the kinds of asses that would do something designed to be obviously hurtful and insulting to the Linux community, I, for one, would be done with them. A move like the one you're suggesting would be incredibly bad PR for the company, as well as a mightily un-funny joke. I'm reserving judgement on the announcement until tomorrow, but until then Ancurio, I don't think there's any reason to be a dick.
          I'm not trying to be a dick. I just don't wanna see people get their hopes smashed to pieces, because I know how much that hurts.

          On the other hand, maybe they really are working on it, but don't want to get people's hopes up too high,
          in case the oss drivers fail them badly.
          I can really understand their position, because once they decide to support Linux,
          they'll have to keep on doing it, or it'll look extremely bad on them.
          The problem isn't really you guys, because you probably could all hack up something
          quickly in case something doesn't work with the game.
          The problem will be normal, not tech-savvy people, who might randomly
          install a distro that doesn't ship with any proprietary drivers at all,
          and who would still expect their Steam games to fully work, because, well,
          "It says Linux is supported!", right? And if Valve can't guarantee the games to work
          on any distro, there's always the chance of normal people getting upset,
          and this would be REALLY bad PR.
          There are many risks like these involved in supporting a new platform,
          and especially one like Linux, where you can't really take any software library
          for granted. Once you start supporting the platform, there's no going back.

          One way to tackle some of these risks though would be to clearly state that,
          for example, the games are only guaranteed to run on, say, Ubuntu
          (I believe Michael received an email saying something like that?).

          Anyway, as I was saying, if they were indeed just trying to keep it low,
          emailing phoronix was the worst idea ever... and that's exactly why I'm having
          all these doubts. It just doesn't add up. These emails. The past experiences.
          And also the ricochet2/tf2 jokes.

          And why in the world are they talking about L4D2 anyway???
          I want my classic CS1.6! With those graphics, it should even run on a RaspberryPI...

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          • Originally posted by Ancurio View Post
            in case the oss drivers fail them badly.
            They have problems with proprietary drivers, Mike told me that.

            Originally posted by Ancurio View Post
            And why in the world are they talking about L4D2 anyway???
            Maybe because they track Steam installations in WINE (Steam can detect WINE version and send it to Valve) and see most of Linux users play in L4D2?

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            • @ancurio: Thanks for trying to protect the guys that might have their hopes up high from a potential crash down by Valve. Though, I'm skeptical about this whole thing... the biggest trolled article here was about valve's steam comming to linux a couple of years ago... now quotes and tweets, screenies point to a very probable source powered games to run on linux. and this is something that i won't hold my breath nor start saying thtis is a BS or lie or troll or april's fool or whatever just be neutral (watch and see). if nothing comes just start trolling valve. i wonder why HL2 run better with wine than on win xp/7???

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              • Originally posted by Setlec View Post
                the biggest trolled article here was about valve's steam comming to linux a couple of years ago...
                Please keep in mind Valve Time.

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                • Please keep in mind this thread has over 27k views, in two days. If that's not a golden egg, I don't know what is.

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                  • Originally posted by KameZero View Post
                    email sent to gaben@valvesoftware.com:



                    email received back:



                    Unfortunately Naib (do you play HoN by the way?) there's really no way to "prove" an email. Headers are child's play to fake and he didn't exactly sign it with his private key. I recommend sending an email yourself and seeing if you get a response!
                    Yes I do play HoN (I do forum moderation for S2, irc op and the occasional tech).

                    It is precisely because emails can be faked that I am partly doubtful over this instance of Valve+Linux. It also because this is one/around April 1st that I am equally doubtful (more and more sites are priming for their lulz a day before 1st). Likewise it is the farce in how Michael/Phoronix handled the last Valve+Linux which then seals it.

                    I don't doubt that Michael received an email from valve, but the actual intent of it ??? unknown. He has shown that he extrapolates small things to drive traffic to this site.
                    It really isn't unreasonable to ask for some independent confirmation.

                    Also all these people that have "sent an email to Gabe", sorry but if they think the CEO of a large company is going to respond to "little peoples" emails well... Its one thing for Michael to be in communications (linux news site), it is another to expect some random nobody off the internet to be in communications.

                    All this all adds up to some independent confirmation is required, mainly from Valve on this. Right now this is either an elaborate April 1st, mis-interpretation/mis-representation of a slither of information OR there really is something in this. I wouldn't think requesting some independent confirmation is too much to ask now; and no more ppl saying "I haz email" doesn't count, nor does myself emailing

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                    • http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTA4MTQ
                      For the many wondering, yes, we briefly talked about Valve's gaming work on Linux. He's not accepting any offer from Valve to work on their Steam/Source port to Linux because he's not at all willing to relocate from North Carolina to Washington to become a full-time Valve employee. But yes, he has talked with Valve, etc.

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                      • Perhaps....

                        Perhaps... We could focus this thread on the two problems "Gabe" mentioned (on steamforlinux.com):
                        1. L4D2 runs multithreaded at 250 Ė 300 fps on my Windows 7 machine. Single threaded itís ~180 fps. On Linux it runs at 25 Ė 30 fps with the same NVidia GTX 580 video card (after getting them to fix some things), and around the same on a ATI 6970.

                        I've had performance issues with L4D2 on Wine. To the point where I don't try playing it. At the same time CS:S/Portal are both easily playable.

                        2. Good tools to track down OpenGL performance and help debug rendering issues just donít exist.

                        http://www.opengl.org/wiki/Debugging_Tools
                        Some of these tools, have not yet been mentioned and do run on Linux. Anyone experienced in OpenGL debugging, want to see if these could help?

                        Of course, if they would release a development version, we might be able to help a lot more...

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                        • Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
                          ok now we are getting somewhere, still sceptical since no specifics (and in light of Phoronix history on this topic). A valve statement would be nice when they are ready ... prob next year...

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                          • If this is real (and Michael gets some footage of hanging out with Valve) then I'm psyched. As a community I think the best we can do is take this seriously by giving what advice we can and referring those we think can help make this a reality. Its up to Valve / whoever to follow through.

                            I'm going to go out, learn C for real this time and start some (at least) basic Linux Driver development... after reading this I'm done sitting on the sidelines.

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                            • Originally posted by susikala View Post
                              It's called hypocrisy. If you keep telling people that you're interested in something, hell you even go so far as to open up a website about it, and then you don't even use it yourself but something else, that makes you a hypocrite. And thus a morally generally suspicious person, whose other statements should also be taken cum grano salis.

                              I would have no problem using windows myself if I wanted to play games that were written for windows, I find it a much better solution than using wine, it's just that it would be kind of hypocrite of me to support Linux all the time and then go and use something else instead, so I just don't play games for windows. And reading mail isn't even a crapOS exclusive thing.

                              I name it crapOS for two reasons: first, because I don't like advertising things I despise, and two, because that's what it is for me.

                              By the way, using 'lol', 'u', and calling other people names doesn't exactly make you come off intelligent.
                              At Ryan Gordon's presentation this weekend, he was presenting all of his slides from his Apple iPhone running iOS... He must be trying to undermine Linux too and secretly is a co-conspirator with Apple too?
                              Michael Larabel
                              http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                              • Originally posted by Naib View Post
                                Also all these people that have "sent an email to Gabe", sorry but if they think the CEO of a large company is going to respond to "little peoples" emails well... Its one thing for Michael to be in communications (linux news site), it is another to expect some random nobody off the internet to be in communications.
                                Gabe responds to "little people" emails ALL THE TIME. Go google it. You'll find dozens of instances where the STEAM community had questions/concerns/problems about something and hundreds of people sent Gabe an e-mail because they didn't believe everybody else, and Gabe responded by email to so many many many people. I guess the linux community just isn't aware of how serious Gabe is about treating people who send him e-mails with respect.. And I'd certainly hope people in the Linux community who aren't familiar with Gabe would treat him with the same kind of respect.

                                Some of the comments in this thread are horrifying.. Making fun of Gabe after all he's done for the gaming industry.

                                Here are the facts, it's pretty clear that Valve is looking for skilled linux game developers and skilled driver developers. Valve is trying to get the best-of-the-best people on this. Valve only hires the best of the best. If you know of somebody who fits that criteria, then let them know. Otherwise, leave Gabe alone, he's a busy guy.. There's already been half a dozen different people who e-mailed him to confirm this and he already has, so there's no reason to flood his e-mail box with confirmation requests.

                                No doubt, if Valve can't get the talent it needs, then there's not going to be a Steam for Linux any time soon... So there's no reason for Valve to be announcing anything.. They're looking to see if it's even possible to hire a team together to fix the open source gaming drivers and Valve's games in a reasonable amount of time. Assuming that Valve is even going to try to fix the graphics drivers, which I doubt, because it's not really their responsibility.
                                Last edited by Sidicas; 04-02-2012, 10:45 AM.

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