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  • #31
    Originally posted by moonlitfire View Post
    but Michael does have the decency to clarify towards the end. He says:

    "This could also simply be in reference to a dedicated Linux server build of Garry's Mod, but regardless a big day is coming up."

    Guess what? It was a reference to Garry building a dedicated server.
    So what's the "regardless a big day coming up"? The dedicated server has been available for Linux for ages (4+ years?).

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    • #32
      Originally posted by 3vi1 View Post
      So what's the "regardless a big day coming up"? The dedicated server has been available for Linux for ages (4+ years?).
      It's honestly not that complicated. Michael believes there is a big day coming up for Linux and Steam, but in the same breath he's conceding that the Garry's mod posts could just be about the Garry working on the Linux server. That's what it actually turned out to be, and there is no reason to get the pitchforks and torches out over it.

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      • #33
        Whenever I see a steam and/or source engine for linux headline, I laugh and skip straight to the comments. They're a far more interesting read.
        There is no steam or source engine coming to linux, at least not anytime soon. That's that. Some developer mucking about internally at Valve does not count.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by mirv View Post
          Whenever I see a steam and/or source engine for linux headline, I laugh and skip straight to the comments. They're a far more interesting read.
          I think that maybe the standard process for a good many readers who have posted in this thread. The problem arises when they start making assumptions about being lied to or misled when they didn't bother to read. Imagine if you based all of your news reading on headlines alone.

          Originally posted by mirv View Post
          There is no steam or source engine coming to linux, at least not anytime soon.
          I actually expect this is probably the case, but here's to hoping.

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          • #35
            I don't like to point out problems without offering solutions, so here goes:

            News items that are not confirmed and rely on speculation should always have their title followed by "?", so that it's clear that the headline is not a statement of fact. I don't know of any other "News" site that I go to which has headlines that can be dis-proven in 5 minutes of fact checking.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by 3vi1 View Post
              I don't like to point out problems without offering solutions, so here goes:

              News items that are not confirmed and rely on speculation should always have their title followed by "?", so that it's clear that the headline is not a statement of fact. I don't know of any other "News" site that I go to which has headlines that can be dis-proven in 5 minutes of fact checking.
              I don't think your suggestion is bad, but the words "looks like" should disambiguate the headline enough. It implies that, from the information the author has gathered, it "looks like" Garry's mod maybe coming to Linux. On the surface it is easy to see that the author had reason to believe this; even though it had not yet been confirmed.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by 3vi1 View Post
                News items that are not confirmed and rely on speculation should always have their title followed by "?", so that it's clear that the headline is not a statement of fact. I don't know of any other "News" site that I go to which has headlines that can be dis-proven in 5 minutes of fact checking.
                Phoronix isn't a news site. News implies factual events that have happened or are happening. Phoronix is a monetized blog which implies opinion, rumors, and articles pulled out of Michael's ass to drum up page views and ad revenue. Every time Michael mentions steam on Linux his site traffic (and ad revenue) increases, so in that aspect he's a genius.

                Oh and Michael, you'd have better luck convincing people to unblock your ads if you stopped allowing racist organizations to advertise on your site.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                  Phoronix isn't a news site. News implies factual events that have happened or are happening. Phoronix is a monetized blog which implies opinion, rumors, and articles pulled out of Michael's ass to drum up page views and ad revenue. Every time Michael mentions steam on Linux his site traffic (and ad revenue) increases, so in that aspect he's a genius.

                  Oh and Michael, you'd have better luck convincing people to unblock your ads if you stopped allowing racist organizations to advertise on your site.
                  How the heck do you know when you are blocking his ads? What "racist" organizations?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by moonlitfire View Post
                    It implies that, from the information the author has gathered, it "looks like" Garry's mod maybe coming to Linux.
                    But it doesn't. Not to any other single person not wearing rose-colored glasses.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                      Phoronix isn't a news site.
                      Perhaps it was the "Latest Phoronix News" heading that threw me.

                      I can't disagree that this level of journalism continually destroys the credibility that his other articles builds in my mind. I'm just about to the point where I can't read headlines like "X.Org Server 1.10.1 Released" without consciously thinking "I should probably verify that with another source before I restate it as fact to anyone."

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                        Every time Michael mentions steam on Linux his site traffic (and ad revenue) increases
                        I would love to see actual proof of this claim. Some sort of hit count, charts, pay stubs from advertisers.

                        Originally posted by 3vi1
                        But it doesn't. Not to any other single person not wearing rose-colored glasses.
                        Sure Michael is a bit optimistic and excited about the prospect of Steam coming to Linux. You can't fault a person for that, and I have yet to see a single person demonstrate that's not what Michael actually believes. Phoronix has stuck by the story of popular Steam games coming to Linux for around a year or so now.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by moonlitfire View Post
                          Sure Michael is a bit optimistic and excited about the prospect of Steam coming to Linux. You can't fault a person for that, and I have yet to see a single person demonstrate that's not what Michael actually believes. Phoronix has stuck by the story of popular Steam games coming to Linux for around a year or so now.
                          There is optimism and just plain crap journalism. Its one thing to be hopeful that something like STEAM would come to linux ( you either have the die-hard zealots that don't want drm on linux or you have the enthusiasts that would love this)
                          Its another to get a report wrong and move on.
                          Its completely different to keep beating the same dead horse claiming the original statement is still true

                          So we had: April 22, 2010
                          http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...item&px=ODE3Mw
                          There Is No Doubt, Steam Is Coming To Linux!
                          then losts of articles about a beta STEAM client, everything looked so good for linux!!!

                          This is the main article in question posted May 12, 2010. Ie almost a year ago
                          http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...uncement&num=1
                          Steam Mac OS X client to the general public and confirmed something we have been reporting for two years: the Steam content delivery platform and Source Engine are coming to Linux.
                          This was big news! there was soo many people jumping up and down over this, this one article was linked on sooo many other websites ( which is what people were probably refering to w.r.t. increase ad revenue - problem is Phoronix over this last year has just become unbelievable w.r.t. Valve news)

                          Not once was any actual confirmation given, infact Valve did an announcement to state they are not actively working on a linux client
                          https://support.steampowered.com/kb_...1313-QIPD-5381

                          Since that article other articles have been posted each providing more and more weight to the speculation (because without an actual valve statement it was just speculation)



                          So whats has gone on.
                          Yes Valve were defiantly working on STEAM for linux, thats a give
                          yes Phoronix kept every little finding well reported (and pulled soo many referal links, slashdot, timedoctor.org, www.xtremesystems.org for instance)
                          Valve refuted such claims
                          Postal3 (the biggest sign that SOURCE was coming to linux, maybe not STEAM) has news that the linux client was in doubt.


                          What is pissing people off is Phoronix/Michael just won't accept that he has done some serious bad journalism in the past and any slight valve/source/steam news then refers back to this "confirmed" article (where no confirmation is ever given).

                          STEAM probably is coming to linux, I would love it to, BUT the boy that cried wolf and the lack of professionalism surrounding what has basically been shown to be gossip posting by Phoronix is not improving their credibility in reporting all things linux. There are better more trusting ways to get upto date linux news.

                          If Valve went and reported that they were releasing a client tomorrow I would not believe it if Phoronix reported it, this site just cannot be trusted on this topic and it is starting to leach into other news topics

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by moonlitfire View Post
                            Sure Michael is a bit optimistic and excited about the prospect of Steam coming to Linux. You can't fault a person for that...
                            I can when they post their optimism under the heading of "News" and not under "Wild Unconfirmed Speculation".

                            If Phoronix wants to be treated as a reliable source of information, this sort of stuff needs to be noted appropriately or relegated to an opinion/rumor column. Were this distinction to happen, I think Phoronix would be great.

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                            • #44
                              If Valve went and reported that they were releasing a client tomorrow I would not believe it if Phoronix reported it, this site just cannot be trusted on this topic and it is starting to leach into other news topics
                              This. Whenever I read something 'big' on Phoronix, I just assume it's not true, blown out of proportion, or otherwise not actually important. That's not a good image for an alleged news site.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Laughing1 View Post
                                How the heck do you know when you are blocking his ads?
                                I block ads individually, not entirely. Sometimes the juxtaposition of Phoronix advertising Oprah is worth it, sometimes not.

                                What "racist" organizations?
                                Some half-baked, tea-party "Oh no there is a black man in office and he's going to take all your money" organization that focused on the man and his skin tone not the policies.

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