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  • #16
    Originally posted by Apopas View Post
    Windows aren't faster than Linux in OGL games, simply the combination Ubuntu/Nvidia is problematic for some reason.
    See for example here http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...buntu910&num=2
    I have repeated this again and again but Michael doesn't want to throw a second distro in the benches. With a second distro in play, for every result we will know whether is Linux's or distro's fault.
    This is true. It will be great to see results on some different distro too. Fedora etc.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by FunkyRider View Post
      The problem is, there is no frigging real games on Linux.
      Almost all classics that deserve to be played are either ported, are runnable in DosBox or with Wine.

      Age of Empires III - crap compared to Age of Empires 2
      Assassin's Creed - crap
      Batman Arkham Asylum - crap
      Battlefield 2142 / Bad Company 2 - crap
      Burnout Paradise - acceptable, altough I can beat the game with my toes that control the joysticks when I put it on the ground.
      Call of Duty - World at War - crap
      Company of Heroes - awesome
      Crysis / WARHEAD - acceptable, Warhead, that is...
      Counter Strike Source - the awesome people left after cs 1.5
      DiRT 1 / 2 - 1 is pretty good, 2 sucks
      Fallout 3 - awesome
      Far Cry 2 - crap
      FEAR / Perseus Mandate - F.E.A.R. is pretty good and totally playable under Wine
      GRID - pretty good
      GTA SA / 4 - SA sucked, 4 is great
      HL2 EP2 - Playable under Wine
      Left 4 Dead 1 / 2 - Playable under Wine
      Mass Effect 2 - crap
      Modern Warfare 2 - crap
      Need for Speed 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11/12/13 - awesome untill they released Underground and everything after that sucked
      Portal - awesome and playable under Wine
      Red Alert 3 / Uprising - nice Red Alert 2 graphics update
      Sniper Ghost Warrior - crap
      StarCraft II - awesome
      Street Fighter 4 - everyone knows Street Fighter 2 beats the shit out of the rest
      Team Fortress 2 - acceptable, works with Wine
      The Saboteur - never even heared of
      Unreal Tournament 3 (sigh...) - acceptable
      X-Men Origins - Wolverine - oh puhlease
      May I suggest some kickass games for your Linux gaming plessures? Let's start with the classics. You know... actual games and not interactive B-movie experiences;
      ---------
      Title: Doom
      What you need: a copy of Doom + DoomGL


      And if you do not like how it looks than you're simply not a gamer. Go grab the Lord of the Rings blu-ray instead.

      Title: Duke Nukem 3D
      What you need: copy of Duke Nukem 3D + eduke32 with polymer renderer + high res pack


      Experience why people are waiting forever.

      Title: Prey
      What you need: copy of Prey + the Linux binary


      Best FPS is years. Portals, multiple gravity sources and God forbid: puzzles. You will actually have to solve them.

      Title: Serious Sam: First Encounter, Second Encounter and II
      What you need: copy of these three games + Linux binaries


      No story, shitload of enemies, large environment, rediculous firepower, speed and jokes. It fscking rules

      I'm sure I forgot ten thousand other interesting games, but in the light of these; everything else just sucks anyway...

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      • #18
        "The stock Ubuntu Lucid packages besides NVIDIA's proprietary driver remained with their default versions and configuration."

        So Michael ran all the tests with Compiz enabled while Windows didn't have compositing on? Insane. Or does Ubuntu unplug Compiz upon running a 3D application? I don't think Compiz has that kind of a feature built-in.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by curfew View Post
          "The stock Ubuntu Lucid packages besides NVIDIA's proprietary driver remained with their default versions and configuration."

          So Michael ran all the tests with Compiz enabled while Windows didn't have compositing on? Insane. Or does Ubuntu unplug Compiz upon running a 3D application? I don't think Compiz has that kind of a feature built-in.
          If the defaults for each OS aren't the same, sounds like you could contribute to making Ubuntu sane then, eh?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by curfew View Post
            So Michael ran all the tests with Compiz enabled while Windows didn't have compositing on? Insane.
            This is the whole point. There should be some note Ubuntu has compiz enabled. While it has compiz enabled I don't understand the Phoronix conclusion:

            With Lightsmark and Nexuiz when more taxing on the graphics card the NVIDIA graphics driver under Windows moved forward, but with the most demanding Unigine tests the performance was about the same. Of course, these results are just representative with regard to NVIDIA's proprietary driver on both platforms,
            Nvidia drivers moved forward under Windows, because... Ubuntu has compiz enabled?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Orionds View Post
              This is probably why Windows will become a major gaming platform.
              Are you living under a stone? Windows is and has been a major gaming platform for ages. Even MS-DOS was a major gaming platform.

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              • #22
                Looks like Nvidious cares more about their Windows users than their Linux users. Now what are the Nvidious fanboys going to say about their beloved blob?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by stan View Post
                  Looks like Nvidious cares more about their Windows users than their Linux users. Now what are the Nvidious fanboys going to say about their beloved blob?
                  Go away, troll. The results mean that the Linux blob is as good as the Windows one. Unless you're blind.

                  Shoo. Go away.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by stan View Post
                    Looks like Nvidious cares more about their Windows users than their Linux users. Now what are the Nvidious fanboys going to say about their beloved blob?
                    Lol!!! Nvidia's driver performance is basically uniform. I can vouch for that...
                    http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24798

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by stan View Post
                      Looks like Nvidious cares more about their Windows users than their Linux users. Now what are the Nvidious fanboys going to say about their beloved blob?
                      They know that nVidia doesn't care because they know nVidia doesn't release spec. They don't care about that because otherwise they would have bought Radeons. So they will not respond to your trolling. Especialy not because they care about what works right now and they know that Catalyst in that regard is no match for the nVidia blob.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by liam View Post
                        Now, it is my understanding that Windows no longer has to convert all OpenGL instructions to Direct3D, thus they can get similar performance, but to beat Linux by this much... again, I am guessing this is b/c these tests aren't making extensive use of double precision.
                        Does anyone know something concrete?

                        Best/Liam
                        Windows never had to convert OpenGL to D3D.
                        Every OpenGL activity is care of the video card driver. ATi and Nvidia have their fully optimized OpenGL drivers that directly call the hardware, instead less important video chip vendors are used to do OpenGL wrapping to D3D (like SiS with their integrated video cards).

                        With Vista and 7 things changed to kill OpenGL, but I think video chip vendors have found the way long time ago to avoid stupid Microsoft impositions.

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                        • #27
                          I went on and ran the benchmarks myself to check my doubts about Ubuntu having unfairly compositing enabled in Michael's benchmarks.

                          As my operating systems I've got Windows 7 Professional and Arch Linux (using Unstable repo), both 64-bit. Arch has Linux 2.6.35 kernel and latest beta drivers from Nvidia, Windows 7 drivers were whatever the Windows Update fed me. I forgot to install the latest Windows drivers from nvidia.com, sorry. For the hardware part, my system consists of an Intel Core 2 Duo E7200, a GeForce 7900 GS and 4 GBs of RAM.

                          I chose to do Lightsmark 2008 and Nexuiz. The Nexuiz benches were ran with 32-bit binaries due to the fact Alientrap doesn't supply us with a 64-bit build for Windows. As the benchmark I executed timedemo using a built-in demo "demo1" (run command 'timedemo demos/demo1' in the Nexuiz console).

                          I'm a bit suspicious of the validity of my Lightsmark results because the benchmark did run in windowed mode on Linux but in fullscreen on Windows. Therefore I manually changed my desktop resolution to be that of the test's and that resulted as a slightly higher FPS. Dunno.

                          The results were:

                          *** Lightsmark 2008
                          *** Drivers: 0x AA, 0x AF forced
                          Windows: 96.2 fps
                          Linux: 98.7
                          Linux*: 102.6

                          *** Lightsmark 2008
                          *** Drivers: 4x AA, 4x AF forced
                          Windows: 72.4 fps
                          Linux: 72.3
                          Linux*: 77.2

                          * Resolution/fullscreen correction

                          *** Nexuiz: default settings
                          *** Drivers: 0x AA, 0x AF forced
                          Seconds -- fps min | avg | max
                          Windows: 31 -- 39 | 64 | 121
                          Linux: 30 -- 39 | 68 | 122

                          *** Nexuiz: maximum detail ('ultra' preset + everything else maxed)
                          *** Drivers: auto settings
                          Seconds -- fps min | avg | max
                          Windows: 120 -- 9 | 17 | 32
                          Linux: 114 -- 10 | 18 | 36

                          *** Nexuiz: 'normal' preset
                          *** Drivers: auto settings
                          Windows: 48 -- 26 | 40 | 67
                          Linux: 30 -- 38 | 67 | 121 ??? This must've been a Nexuiz preset mismatch, insane difference.

                          Short: Linux won every benchmark. I ran all the benchmarks 2-3 times and the differences were minimal and nothing was left for interpretations.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by curfew View Post
                            I went on and ran the benchmarks myself to check my doubts about Ubuntu having unfairly compositing enabled in Michael's benchmarks.
                            It is not unfair if Ubuntu ships with Compositing enabled, which they do. Just because they have not implemented a disable on demand feature as Windows has speaks more to Microsoft's tuning of their OS for a wider audience than Ubuntu.

                            Again, if this is a huge issue, file a bug report with Ubuntu. Until Ubuntu changes their policy, Michael won't (and shouldn't) touch the setting in his benchmarks.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by locovaca View Post
                              It is not unfair if Ubuntu ships with Compositing enabled, which they do. Just because they have not implemented a disable on demand feature as Windows has speaks more to Microsoft's tuning of their OS for a wider audience than Ubuntu.
                              Don't modern Windows systems come with Aero enabled as well? (and yes, you can disable compositing from Gnome unless Ubuntu removed that functionality)

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by locovaca View Post
                                It is not unfair if Ubuntu ships with Compositing enabled, which they do. Just because they have not implemented a disable on demand feature as Windows has speaks more to Microsoft's tuning of their OS for a wider audience than Ubuntu.
                                That's just bullshit you're saying. This isn't about professional tweaking, just being fair and square. It's idiotic to compare a composited desktop performance to an uncomposited one, totally useless.

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