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  • #46
    Originally posted by miles View Post
    Most LGP games are DRM-free, it amounts to about 15 games. By your standards, you must have bought all of them (maybe twice) thus supporting DRM-free native Linux games.

    Here's the list unless I'm mistaken (I might have forgotten a few):
    Ballistics
    Cold War
    Gorky 17
    Knights and Merchants
    Mindrover Downloadable Update
    Creatures Internet Edition
    Hyperspace Delivery Boy
    Majesty Gold
    NingPo MahJong
    Candy Cruncher
    Mindrover
    Postal 2: Share the Pain
    Software Tycoon
    Soul Ride
    X2: The Threat

    Of course, it's possible you're just full of air, and never supported them when it counted. If people had spent time doing what you pretend you'd do, LGP wouldn't ever have had to consider DRM.

    But you can still go and by them if you intend to keep a bit of dignity. Twice since you boast to pay double. That way, next time you trash what good work people have done (all those DRM-free games LGP published) you won't sound like a tool.
    I haven't bought anything from LGP, becasue I was previously under the impression that all of their titles used DRM. To verify that I wasn't just making an assumption, I just revisited their website -- no where that I could find provided any info as to what titles used DRM and what ones do not. Since their site doesn't hide the fact that they use DRM (which, I admit is an honest thing to do that not all companies do), it is reasonable for the average person to assume that all their games use DRM. Hense my conclusion.

    And to clairify my statement, I'd pay double for software that I really want to get a Linux version. When I buy something that I don't really want that much just to support the developer, I usually only buy one copy, because I won't be actually using it.

    That said, if I can get confirmation from LGP as to which titles do not use any kind of DRM, I will certainly buy some of their titles, if only to support the idea of non DRM ridden games on Linux.

    To that end, I'll edit my previous statement to suggest that everyone boycott whatever games LGP sells that use DRM, rather than the company itself. Though that would be much more practical to do if we had official documentation about which games use DRM and which do not.

    Originally posted by Svartalf
    You want AAA titles? You need to buy what you would've bought under any circumstances and for your preferred platform- even if you think you can get better deals by buying the Windows version and playing it under WINE.
    I am in complete agreement with you there. It is completely stupid to buy a title that is available as a native Linux title as a Windows version just to run it in Wine. The only time I've ever bought any Windows games were when no Linux version existed. And I don't even do that anymore, now that most Windows games use DRM.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by TwistedLincoln View Post
      That said, if I can get confirmation from LGP as to which titles do not use any kind of DRM, I will certainly buy some of their titles, if only to support the idea of non DRM ridden games on Linux.
      Well, there WAS a reason I asked what I asked earlier, while "wearing my official LGP hat".

      I know for a fact that Ballistics doesn't. I'm the developer with the most hours invested into that title- and it's one of the ones that sold only 200-400 copies with the about 20:1 known piracy to purchase ratio.

      I'm fairly sure you got the whole list of the stuff that doesn't have DRM. I think only Shadowgrounds:Survivor might have it in there and definitely sure Sacred has DRM as it was developed as much in compliance with Ascaron's desires for the title as the other stated reasons.

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      • #48
        Well I for one fully intend to be buying a few games...after moving, sorting out a kitchen, and then wandering down to the bank for a pre-paid credit card.
        Sadly a kitchen has priority over computer games right now.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
          I know for a fact that Ballistics doesn't. I'm the developer with the most hours invested into that title- and it's one of the ones that sold only 200-400 copies with the about 20:1 known piracy to purchase ratio.

          I'm fairly sure you got the whole list of the stuff that doesn't have DRM. I think only Shadowgrounds:Survivor might have it in there and definitely sure Sacred has DRM as it was developed as much in compliance with Ascaron's desires for the title as the other stated reasons.
          Looks like a good place start. I signed up for an account on the website -- is there a way to pay in US dollars, or with Paypal? I'm not 100%, but I think my credit card charges me extra for transactions in foreign currencies. Not a huge deal, but I'd like to avoid extra charges if possible.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
            Well, I "sidestepped" the issue in question because I've ranted on and on about THAT as well and didn't want to be sounding like a broken record.

            There's tons of titles out there. If they're not to your liking, you don't have to buy, no. If they are, trying to make comparisons of the Bargain Bin pricing on the WINDOWS version of the game, since it's NOT the same title as far as the money, marketing, and sales people are concerned, isn't going to help either. It is to THAT that I speak of.

            You want AAA titles? You need to buy what you would've bought under any circumstances and for your preferred platform- even if you think you can get better deals by buying the Windows version and playing it under WINE. When you do that, you're voting with your money to make more Windows titles. They honestly don't give a damn if you're running under Linux and playing it under WINE- they see Windows SKUs selling, so they make MORE of that and none of what you'd like to have.

            If there's nothing you want to play, then you're not one of the people I'm referring to there. Seriously.
            No we are voting with our money for better games, not Windows.

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            • #51
              The problem is that the ballot only has "Linux" and "Windows" to choose from - there's no box for "better games".

              I agree there should be, but it's not clear what you would need to buy in order to send the message you want and not have it misinterpreted as a vote for something else.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by bridgman View Post
                The problem is that the ballot only has "Linux" and "Windows" to choose from - there's no box for "better games".

                I agree there should be, but it's not clear what you would need to buy in order to send the message you want and not have it misinterpreted as a vote for something else.
                There are lots of great games for Linux and for Windows, I just wish that I could get a real AAA title on Linux. Last time I bought a AAA title for Linux was X-Plane, and before that Quake 4. I wish I could see a bit more effort to have in house Linux ports like these games do. Call of Duty: Black Ops for Linux would be my dream, or maybe Crysis 2 for Linux. Essentially, I would like to vote for good Linux games.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by LinuxID10T View Post
                  No we are voting with our money for better games, not Windows.
                  Depends on what you're buying or not buying. The moment you buy a Windows title, that's what you're doing- anything else is lying to yourself and others. Now, if you're just not buying, well...that's your own lookout, but counts more for not voting at all. You don't show up on radar on that note.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by LinuxID10T View Post
                    There are lots of great games for Linux and for Windows, I just wish that I could get a real AAA title on Linux. Last time I bought a AAA title for Linux was X-Plane, and before that Quake 4. I wish I could see a bit more effort to have in house Linux ports like these games do. Call of Duty: Black Ops for Linux would be my dream, or maybe Crysis 2 for Linux. Essentially, I would like to vote for good Linux games.
                    I think you'd get all of us to concur with you on that score.

                    Unfortunately, it's EXCESSIVELY difficult to get what you're looking for without going up the food-chain on stuff first. MacOS people had to do that and fortunately for them, there wasn't WINE or dual booting things for them- so they bought what was there for their chosen OS. If Valve does what Phoronix keeps claiming in rumor to be doing, things will change slightly- but only if they move Source to Linux as well as Steam and make their titles available. Otherwise, you've got less than one would think because there's still no AAA titles, per se, that meet your criteria at that point.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
                      Depends on what you're buying or not buying. The moment you buy a Windows title, that's what you're doing- anything else is lying to yourself and others. Now, if you're just not buying, well...that's your own lookout, but counts more for not voting at all. You don't show up on radar on that note.
                      Not if there is no Linux title. I just think most of the pay for Linux games just aren't worth it. I just wish there were some better titles for Linux. If you guys had a port of COD or something I would definitely consider buying it. It would also be nice if I could go to the store and pick up a game that will also run on Linux. Having to buy from a place like LGP is a pain. I really wish that LGP would just be contracted by the game companies, and when I bought my game some of the profits would go to you guys.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by LinuxID10T View Post
                        Not if there is no Linux title. I just think most of the pay for Linux games just aren't worth it. I just wish there were some better titles for Linux. If you guys had a port of COD or something I would definitely consider buying it. It would also be nice if I could go to the store and pick up a game that will also run on Linux. Having to buy from a place like LGP is a pain. I really wish that LGP would just be contracted by the game companies, and when I bought my game some of the profits would go to you guys.
                        Excuse me, you ARE lying to yourself and others outright if you think buying a Windows title would count for anything other than more Windows titles. They don't have a tick-box, "Bought Windows, using under Linux" for any of the registration options for pretty much everything out there- you bought a Windows SKU, it counts as a WINDOWS purchase, nothing more.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
                          Excuse me, you ARE lying to yourself and others outright if you think buying a Windows title would count for anything other than more Windows titles. They don't have a tick-box, "Bought Windows, using under Linux" for any of the registration options for pretty much everything out there- you bought a Windows SKU, it counts as a WINDOWS purchase, nothing more.
                          But if all the games under Linux, that are pay for, suck, I am going to buy a Windows title. I hope you understand, I am not attacking your porting abilities, just the titles you were actually able to get your hands on.

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                          • #58
                            Keep in mind, I'm not trying to be ugly here LinuxID10T.

                            I'm trying to point out highly counterproductive lines of thought that people keep seeming to have here. An IDENTICAL conversation produced the wishlist threads and one published port, an ongoing port, and at least one title still in negotiations as a result of me deciding to change the rules.

                            You're going to have to ditch the bad ideas and come up with something better if you're going to get anywhere with Linux Gaming- and it doesn't start with buying Windows titles and claiming you're "voting for better titles" because not a single part of the Game Industy works the way you're thinking.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by LinuxID10T View Post
                              But if all the games under Linux, that are pay for, suck, I am going to buy a Windows title. I hope you understand, I am not attacking your porting abilities, just the titles you were actually able to get your hands on.
                              If you're not going to vote FOR Linux for whatever reasons you have (I'm not challenging your complaint- I get you don't want anything out there and you want the "shiny" stuff that others have...) you need to realize that buying a Windows title is not going to help things AT ALL. They don't have a magic window into what OS you're running- they think you're running Windows.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
                                If you're not going to vote FOR Linux for whatever reasons you have (I'm not challenging your complaint- I get you don't want anything out there and you want the "shiny" stuff that others have...) you need to realize that buying a Windows title is not going to help things AT ALL. They don't have a magic window into what OS you're running- they think you're running Windows.
                                So what should I do instead? I have a PS3, and that is normally what I buy games for. Every once in a while I buy a PC game though. I just wish we had a way to buy a AAA game using Linux, but you aren't giving it to us, nor are the big game companies.

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