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  • Originally posted by Gokumon View Post
    That's great. So what? I was merely pointing out that Michael's claim that Valve is currently developing the client goes in complete contradiction to Valve's official statements.
    No shit? A game development studio with employees under and NDA. Wow!

    And also 'leaking' info to other sites, no fscking way!

    Holy shit... that hasn't ever, ever, ever happened before!

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    • Originally posted by snuwoods View Post
      Haha.
      That's odd because UT2004, Osmos, and Any Yet It Moves all seem to have it figured out. What about any of the Humble Indy Bundle games?
      To me, the problem seems like a situation of catering to the cash cows and industry standards(M$ and DX).
      No they don't. I had to fix libopenal.so.1 to libopenal.so.0 on many occasions with 3d FPS games to get them to work. I bought And Yet It Moves and it works "now" but I expect it to break a few distro releases later. Don't know Osmos.

      Look at the LGP games and how they don't work anymore for more quick clues on linux "stability". Also ALSA/libopenal is a big mess, pulseaudio doesn't save that either.

      Linux is simply fubar with this, even packaging static libs down to libc/libc++ level doesn't help because well.. ALSA might break (or some kernel compilation setting changes something).

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      • And wow, what about all that games released 10 years ago for windows? oh! I'm so amazed! I can't even install them. And the ripped versions don't work either, and there is nothing I can do to get it to work, bar run it on a 12 year old version of windows...

        The fact that I can get similarly old games to work at all on native Linux means that it is no worse than Windows.

        Besides, the game studios rarely care past the first 2 years.

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        • Originally posted by Almindor View Post
          No they don't. I had to fix libopenal.so.1 to libopenal.so.0 on many occasions with 3d FPS games to get them to work. I bought And Yet It Moves and it works "now" but I expect it to break a few distro releases later. Don't know Osmos.

          Look at the LGP games and how they don't work anymore for more quick clues on linux "stability". Also ALSA/libopenal is a big mess, pulseaudio doesn't save that either.

          Linux is simply fubar with this, even packaging static libs down to libc/libc++ level doesn't help because well.. ALSA might break (or some kernel compilation setting changes something).
          I don't find that absolutely impeding. If that's all you'd have to do to get a program to work, I'm sure valve could accommodate those cases by putting instructions on their site for linking libraries.

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          • Originally posted by snuwoods View Post
            I don't find that absolutely impeding. If that's all you'd have to do to get a program to work, I'm sure valve could accommodate those cases by putting instructions on their site for linking libraries.

            I'm sorry if I sound rude here, but this is extremely naive. People are not capable of this kind of disciplined behavior with computers (and gamers especially). You get a "hardcore" group which will go to any lengths to get a game working but most players will simply go to tech support (if at all) and then call the quits if such problems occur.

            Also, they'd have to make instructions per-distro which is unthinkable.

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            • Originally posted by grigi View Post
              And wow, what about all that games released 10 years ago for windows? oh! I'm so amazed! I can't even install them. And the ripped versions don't work either, and there is nothing I can do to get it to work, bar run it on a 12 year old version of windows...

              The fact that I can get similarly old games to work at all on native Linux means that it is no worse than Windows.

              Besides, the game studios rarely care past the first 2 years.
              Errr... Carmageddon TDR2000 retail... Only with Wine and nothing else...

              Futhermore I'm playing Tomb Raider; Anniversary retail, without a crack flawlesly on venilla Wine 1.2.

              And there are a lot more. For example the latest Prince of Persia work flawless too. Red Alert 3 just the same. Age of Empires, Rollercoaster Tycoon and 40% of all the other games I have work flawlesly under Wine.

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              • Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                No shit? A game development studio with employees under and NDA. Wow!
                A denial breaks NDA's as well as a confirmation. When a NDA is in place the only allowed answer is "no comment".

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                • Originally posted by Almindor View Post
                  No they don't. I had to fix libopenal.so.1 to libopenal.so.0 on many occasions with 3d FPS games to get them to work. I bought And Yet It Moves and it works "now" but I expect it to break a few distro releases later. Don't know Osmos.
                  I'd note that you fixed it wrong. You're very lucky that it works at all. libopenal.so.0 -> libopenal.so.1 signifies that a version change broke the ABI.

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                  • Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                    A denial breaks NDA's as well as a confirmation. When a NDA is in place the only allowed answer is "no comment".
                    Lol, no

                    NDA stands for non-disclosure agreement. Well they didn't disclose anything; not the existance, nor absense. They didn't say "There is a/no Linux client in the making", but they said "There is no Linux version that we are working on right now".

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                    • (the right fix would obviously consist of shipping legacy compat libraries of an older OpenAL version)

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