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  • Totally agree, I'm sick and tired of the "PC = Windows" notion. Just shows how much Microsoft is monopolizing the Personal Computer... like the Windows-button on all keyboards *ugh*

    And yes, a mention of the supported systems on the box is to be expected, I just don't like the idea of 1 box for Windows, 1 box for Linux and 1 box for Mac...

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    • Originally posted by numasan View Post
      Same here, I bought the Windows-version to play on Linux, and my "linux friends" did the same back then.
      Shame on you all. Seriously.

      Approximately 200-500 units actually sold retail. I happen to have one of the Linux SKUs- because I waited the little bit it took to get into the stores. It was actually very, very important that you bought the Linux version...I'll get to that in just a moment.

      If they could track how many players were on Linux online, isn't that the important statistic? Retail boxes with "For Linux" on them seem outdated IMO. All games should just be cross platform from start
      They CAN'T track how many Linux players were online with Q3:A. Wasn't in the design then- and FTP downloads don't count because they're not the same as a CD-Key for the Linux SKU, which isn't the same thing- each and every one of you lot that did that showed up as a Windows sale regardless of which actual OS you are playing with that CD-Key.

      You want to know part of the reason they're not cross-platform from the start? What you and your "linux friends" did with Q3:A amongst other things. The studios and publishers looked at that and concluded THEN that there was no real market (If they had the opportunity to play it on Linux, why didn't they BUY it for it?) and it's an image that we're just now shaking off. What transpired with Q3:A is a pet-peeve of mine because of all of that.

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      • Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
        Shame on you all. Seriously.

        Approximately 200-500 units actually sold retail. I happen to have one of the Linux SKUs- because I waited the little bit it took to get into the stores. It was actually very, very important that you bought the Linux version...I'll get to that in just a moment.



        They CAN'T track how many Linux players were online with Q3:A. Wasn't in the design then- and FTP downloads don't count because they're not the same as a CD-Key for the Linux SKU, which isn't the same thing- each and every one of you lot that did that showed up as a Windows sale regardless of which actual OS you are playing with that CD-Key.

        You want to know part of the reason they're not cross-platform from the start? What you and your "linux friends" did with Q3:A amongst other things. The studios and publishers looked at that and concluded THEN that there was no real market (If they had the opportunity to play it on Linux, why didn't they BUY it for it?) and it's an image that we're just now shaking off. What transpired with Q3:A is a pet-peeve of mine because of all of that.
        Sure, but that's not a case of consumers being 'bad', it's a case of Loki making a fatal mistake. Don't blame consumers who are actually spending money on a Linux sale when you count them as a Windows sale because you can't track them. Shame on Loki.

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        • @Svartalf
          Well to be honest I and my friends wasn't aware of the special Loki pack until years later, and no retail shop sold the Linux version in my country. We bought the "common" version based on the knowledge of binary clients for the previous Quake's, as soon as it was available from id.

          Hell yes it sucks that it counts as a "Windows sale", but that's no different than buying a computer from a store and then wipe it to install Linux. It's no use to look at those numbers being in the Linux community, as they are designed to be spun by marketing companies (Microsoft). Saying "1% use x" sounds bad no matter if 1% = 250.000. I won't be held accountable for not swaying EA to develop cross platform. I'm just glad that id made it possible for me to play their games natively on Linux, numbers be damned. Same goes for S2 and Unigine. Because it is possible, no matter what business drones say.

          Originally posted by Remco View Post
          Sure, but that's not a case of consumers being 'bad', it's a case of Loki making a fatal mistake. Don't blame consumers who are actually spending money on a Linux sale when you count them as a Windows sale because you can't track them. Shame on Loki.
          ^This

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          • I really wish the title of this thread would get changed

            it was never official NEVER yet Phoronix keep peddling it as "official"

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            • Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
              Shame on you all. Seriously.
              Approximately 200-500 units actually sold retail. I happen to have one of the Linux SKUs- because I waited the little bit it took to get into the stores. It was actually very, very important that you bought the Linux version...I'll get to that in just a moment.
              i buy the windows version of Q3 to but in the past i was a windows user.

              with 15 years old i does not think about that kind of stuff in the past...

              so yes i'm so sorry about the "200-500 sales" ,.,, ...

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              • Originally posted by Naib View Post
                I really wish the title of this thread would get changed

                it was never official NEVER yet Phoronix keep peddling it as "official"
                they still work on it.

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                • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                  they still work on it.
                  Whether they are or they are not has nothing todo with the thread title

                  "Its official, Valve are releasing STEAM for linux"

                  it was never official

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                  • Originally posted by Naib View Post
                    Whether they are or they are not has nothing todo with the thread title

                    "Its official, Valve are releasing STEAM for linux"

                    it was never official
                    it was official if you are in they NDA Beta program

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                    • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                      it was official if you are in they NDA Beta program
                      Having a beta with people under NDA doing testing, or even a production-ready Release Candidate doesn't officially mean you're releasing it

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                      • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                        it was official if you are in they NDA Beta program
                        Then stating "Its official: Valve Releasing Steam" would be in violation on NDA.
                        Either way Phoronix fucked up.

                        If you remember the original article they were peddling (as official from Valve) that steam was to be released at the end of summer 2010, well thats been and gone and no steam...
                        Also their source that it was coming was a throw away statement in the Telegraph WITH no citation.

                        Accept it Phoronix fucked up and are too stubborn to admit they jumped the gun. Maybe Valve are (internally) evaluating releasing STEAM for linux, it is all but certain that Valves SOURCE is coming to linux (via Postal3, but even then last min changes could find no linux release) but there really isn't anything public about STEAM.

                        Had STEAM come at the end of the year instead of the end of summer AND an announcement from VALVE, sure mark that down to release slippage but that isn't the case now is it, Phoronix fucked up and if you read other articles they still stand by its going to be released. Maybe it is Maybe it is BUT IT IS FAR FROM OFFICIAL

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                        • Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
                          Shame on you all. Seriously.
                          Approximately 200-500 units actually sold retail.... What transpired with Q3:A is a pet-peeve of mine because of all of that.
                          Hmmm... i might be the only person who never played Q3A till i bought one of the metal packs Loki produced.

                          Anyway, ef-ing DNF is gonna be out the door soon. Rockin'
                          Perhaps Phoronix will change this topic title to celebrate ? (If that makes any sense).

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                          • Originally posted by stevenaaus View Post
                            Hmmm... i might be the only person who never played Q3A till i bought one of the metal packs Loki produced.
                            You're not alone... I've got one of those metal tins. People couldn't wait 2-3 weeks (I'll venture that if it can't wait a couple of weeks, it MIGHT be a flop like UT3 turned out to be...) which is where much of my frustration on the subject comes from. Just waiting 2-3 weeks would've made quite the difference. Loki'd probably still be in business and while it'd made competition for my pet project efforts, the landscape probably would be a bit different than it is right now.

                            Anyway, ef-ing DNF is gonna be out the door soon. Rockin'
                            Perhaps Phoronix will change this topic title to celebrate ? (If that makes any sense).
                            Doesn't make much sense unless they made or plan to make a Linux version... I'll believe the Duke when I see the Duke on a PC or console- until then, DNF still stands for Did Not Finish.

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                            • Originally posted by Remco View Post
                              Sure, but that's not a case of consumers being 'bad', it's a case of Loki making a fatal mistake. Don't blame consumers who are actually spending money on a Linux sale when you count them as a Windows sale because you can't track them. Shame on Loki.
                              Shame on Loki for botching the release date- 2-3 weeks late.

                              Shame on the consumers, many of whom knew it was important, because they couldn't wait that long.

                              The reality is this: If you can't wait 2-3 weeks for your native OS release, was the game even WORTH bothering with? Look at how UT3 flopped...in nearly that same timeframe. Which is more important, being able to get a given game slightly late and very probably many more down the line or the game NOW and a good risk of nothing else down the line? That's what people chose- and you can't color it any other way.

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                              • Well UT 2004 shipped with Linux binaries, but nobody counted UT2004 as Linux sale. Basically online games could simply report the os to the server, you can even detect wine if you are not too stupid.

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