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  • Originally posted by stevenaaus View Post
    1. There's no games for linux.
    Riiiight... Both Epic, id and 3D Realms are over there.
    Epic has UT. id has everything. 3D Realms have Prey and Duke Nukem 3D for which the source code is out there and people need the files for running it on Linux.

    Who's going to drive a truck around selling nothing
    Valve, appearantly...
    Alien Swarm is a game and Source SDK release from a group of talented designers at Valve who were hired from the Mod community. Available free of charge, the game thrusts players into an epic bug hunt featuring a unique blend of co-op play and squad-level tactics. With your friends, form a squad of four distinct IAF Marine classes.
    http://store.steampowered.com/app/630/

    Ignorant, big-mouthed kids
    Like you, who have no idea what they're talking about...

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    • Originally posted by fenixkane View Post
      #2. Cracking the steam binary open wouldn't help piracy at all. Having control of the client wouldn't suddenly let you download all of their games for free because each and every game needs to have a transaction tied to an account. Your account is stored in their servers so controlling the client would be pointless. However this argument doesn't matter because....
      Actually, you're wrong on this point. There are hacks around for the current Windows Steam Binary that DO let you download and play most of the games available through steam.

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      • Originally posted by KameZero View Post
        Actually, you're wrong on this point. There are hacks around for the current Windows Steam Binary that DO let you download and play most of the games available through steam.
        Well then, if thats true I stand corrected. However by dragonlords argument Valve should stop supporting Windows because 'of all the piracy'.
        I guess the end of it should be: Pirates are not your customers. Pirates WILL pirate, customers will pay if they are not inconvenienced by draconian DRM and find the product worth the price. And if you look at the sales statistics of the humble indie bundle it shows that you have a lot of paying customers not served on Linux.

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        • Originally posted by Not_an_S View Post
          There's not much "proof" to say for either side.
          Although there is the native Steam running in Linux, there are plenty of things to explain that.
          The CEO has had personal opinions about Linux (and PS3 and Apple), and also the support page says there is no plans for a Linux client, probably to keep hype down if the other side is true.

          There's not much to do except wait it out and not worry about it, and if it gets released soon, then use it if you want to. Just don't act like the lack of proof on one side proves the other side.
          Most reasonable argument I've heard all day. +1

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          • Originally posted by stevenaaus View Post
            I don't think it's going to happen.
            There's absolutely no motive for valve to release a linux steam client, even if they had it working.

            1. There's no games for linux.

            Who's going to drive a truck around selling nothing.
            And why support extra platforms for no gain. Ask idSoftware how their Linux games went ?

            2. 3. 4. See above. There. Is. No. Games.

            5. Linux community is (sadly) ungrateful.
            To add to Vincents response:
            1, 2, 3, 4: See indie games community (lots of Linux support from indies)
            5: See humble indie bundle (Linux users payed twice as much as windows users, if that's ungrateful...)

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            • Oh snap, I totaly forgot about EA games with their Medal of Honor port and 2k games with Serious Sam 1st encounter, 2nd encounter and Serious Sam 2.

              Lol I think there are more legendary games for Linux than Mac...

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              • Originally posted by fenixkane View Post
                #3. You are a f***ing retard. You will defend your point to the death because you cannot comprehend that you could ever be wrong about a subject you clearly only have tertiary knowledge of at best.
                The short version is that your argument sucks and you're a tosser.
                Welcome to my ban list. Come back once you learn how to do arguments without insulting anybody left and right: RED CARD!

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                • Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                  You are assuming Steam is successful, Valve hasn't released any numbers and until they do, you are just talking out of your backside here. If you don't agree with fenixkane, good for you, but please try to keep your abuse of facts to a minimum.
                  Successful enough for lots of people to copy them. That said there has been an article once somewhere which stated how well Steam is for Valve in their line-up. I don't have that URL at hand but it's definitely not pulled out of my ass.

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                  • So, has anyone referenced this yet?

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                    • Originally posted by Hit in the Head View Post
                      So, has anyone referenced this yet?
                      somewhere back in the thread, yes. It's old news, and is probably more about dedicated servers than anything else.

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                      • Originally posted by Dragonlord View Post
                        That's true that something like that requires a few mockups or prototypes to lead before the actual client starts off. It is though incorrect that it always has to cost money. Ever done some fiddling with some code in your spare time because it interest you? That's how mockups and prototypes tend to start their lives. These are though not necessarily ordered to by the business suits which leads to the next question.
                        Following your logic both our points are probable: developers could work in their free or work time on a poc/mockup.

                        It actually is if you think once from the position of a business suit. What risk would it pose to you if you launch steam on Linux and due to people hacking the binary (as they have proven to do without second thoughts) piracy goes rampage? If that's not a reason to pull the plug to not endanger your already good running windows steam world then you are a bad business suit.
                        To summarize your arguments:
                        - on valve's site was somekind of poc/mockup
                        - this software was either in free or work time developed
                        - de software was put on their website
                        - the binairies on their website have been altered to get it running better by some people (who probably own windows machines as well).
                        - Altering the software is a good reason to hold the linux release because its now 'proven' people will hack their software without a second though.

                        the last point is what I don't see (yet). I don't see why releasing a linux client would increase the risk compared to windows. Sure the linux code is open and a running binairy can be analysed better, but this is no different from any other binairies including the drivers from nvidia or ait, etc. There are way around this.

                        Besides the recent events, there's still is no reason to hold any planned releases. The original benefits should still be the same, while there are no new risks introduced (The software was not that exciting).

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                        • Originally posted by mirv View Post
                          somewhere back in the thread, yes. It's old news, and is probably more about dedicated servers than anything else.
                          Sorry about that! I thought I searched well enough...

                          Apparently not. Well, here's to hoping!

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                          • Originally posted by tmpdir View Post
                            Following your logic both our points are probable: developers could work in their free or work time on a poc/mockup.



                            To summarize your arguments:
                            - on valve's site was somekind of poc/mockup
                            - this software was either in free or work time developed
                            - de software was put on their website
                            - the binairies on their website have been altered to get it running better by some people (who probably own windows machines as well).
                            - Altering the software is a good reason to hold the linux release because its now 'proven' people will hack their software without a second though.

                            the last point is what I don't see (yet). I don't see why releasing a linux client would increase the risk compared to windows. Sure the linux code is open and a running binairy can be analysed better, but this is no different from any other binairies including the drivers from nvidia or ait, etc. There are way around this.

                            Besides the recent events, there's still is no reason to hold any planned releases. The original benefits should still be the same, while there are no new risks introduced (The software was not that exciting).
                            Also, I'd like to show statistics from the Humble Bundle (if someone hasn't already).
                            This was a pack of 4 games which you can buy at any price over a dollar.

                            Not only did on average. Linux users paid MORE for the games, but they also spent more money than the people on Macs.

                            Yes, most Linux users know how to pirate things. That doesn't mean that they will.

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                            • This is correct and I don't think the majority of Linux people are crackers or alike. The problem is more how it looks like. We are starting with a -10 in this battle since Linux (Un*x in general) is looked at as a hacker paradise. Uninformed people see us as the bad guys (hence -10). So if a windows binary gets hacked it looks different to them (starting at +10 opinion or something like that) while with a hacked Linux binary hell breaks loose (as their opinion is already on -10). That's the nasty psychology behind this problem. That's like America. If a white persons steals an apple it is not going to get them lots of troubles, maybe not even looked after. If a black person though steals an apple is handled like he did some really serious crime. Here it's the same just that Windows are the whites and Linux the blacks. So if you look at this problematics look at it from this analogy to get the idea why we have to play differently than the Windows guys. It's unfair but if we want to get somewhere we have to handle this handicap the right way. And this is not to steal the apple even if we intended to polish it up. Police won't believe that.

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                              • Guys, if you want to speed up the process, go apply to work at Valve. They are looking for more Linux developers at the moment. All this speculation about why it's still not out is nonsense.

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