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  • Originally posted by Michael View Post
    No, my confirmation or sources are not The Telegraph. I simply linked to The Telegraph as another place that has also confirmed this information, albeit I have had my sources on the matter much longer than they have.
    I retract my claim then.

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    • After installing L4D via Steam on my computer, I was not able to play L4D without Steam running. It is required that you log in to run L4D.

      This is DRM. Do not pay for Steam games. You shouldn't have to ask for permission to play your own games.

      No shocker to most of you, but just saying.

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      • Originally posted by Michael View Post
        No, my confirmation or sources are not The Telegraph. I simply linked to The Telegraph as another place that has also confirmed this information, albeit I have had my sources on the matter much longer than they have.
        It would be nice to actually see your sources, otherwise it's only confirmation from you, making it not official.

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        • Originally posted by Yfrwlf View Post
          After installing L4D via Steam on my computer, I was not able to play L4D without Steam running. It is required that you log in to run L4D.

          This is DRM. Do not pay for Steam games. You shouldn't have to ask for permission to play your own games.
          What about people who disagree with your view on DRM? It seems like you are assuming that we all 'know' DRM = Evil. We know what we're getting into when we buy games from them...

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          • Originally posted by Yfrwlf View Post
            After installing L4D via Steam on my computer, I was not able to play L4D without Steam running. It is required that you log in to run L4D.

            This is DRM. Do not pay for Steam games. You shouldn't have to ask for permission to play your own games.

            No shocker to most of you, but just saying.
            If you run your argument further, even having to have the CD in the drive can be considered "DRM"...

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            • Originally posted by Yfrwlf View Post
              This is DRM. Do not pay for Steam games. You shouldn't have to ask for permission to play your own games.
              then why did you buy the game and why did you agree to the EULA?

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              • Originally posted by TheWretched View Post
                If you run your argument further, even having to have the CD in the drive can be considered "DRM"...
                That would be more copy protection then DRM. DRM entails getting permission from an outside system to authorize the use of their product.

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                • PSSSSSSSSSSSSST!

                  *And to think that L4D is a multiplayer co-op mode that you need to contact the central game server for so you can be linked to an online co-op match*

                  FAIL

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                  • Originally posted by thebwt View Post
                    What about people who disagree with your view on DRM? It seems like you are assuming that we all 'know' DRM = Evil. We know what we're getting into when we buy games from them...
                    DRM is bad because it is a hindrance for you, the consumer. But, let corporations convince you a hindrance is good for you like a good sheeple.

                    Originally posted by TheWretched View Post
                    If you run your argument further, even having to have the CD in the drive can be considered "DRM"...
                    Correct, you should be able to copy data where you want so you can run programs from anywhere. CD copy protection preventing "full installation" is a form of DRM, dur.

                    Originally posted by Licaon View Post
                    then why did you buy the game and why did you agree to the EULA?
                    Did I say I did? No. Neither does most anyone who clicks on them. No one reads them. I also never said I clicked on any EULAs. EULAs are "fine print designed to fuck you". Do you honestly believe corporations have your best interests in mind? What planet are you from? The only way Steam gets away with it is because it's "on the web" to begin with.

                    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                    That would be more copy protection then DRM. DRM entails getting permission from an outside system to authorize the use of their product.
                    "Digital rights management (DRM) is a generic term for access control technologies that can be used by hardware manufacturers, publishers, copyright holders and individuals to impose limitations on the usage of digital content and devices."
                    While software can have limitations in the form of a lack of features, DRM is thus an intentional device to "impose limitations on the usage", so yes, copy protection is of course DRM, dur.

                    Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                    PSSSSSSSSSSSSST!

                    *And to think that L4D is a multiplayer co-op mode that you need to contact the central game server for so you can be linked to an online co-op match*

                    FAIL
                    Which requires you to connect to Steam in order to get their permission before playing, instead of playing co-op over LAN, Internet, or ANY central server (not just Valve's, or playing single-player.


                    I have reached the conclusion that you are all either retarded or/and corporate sellouts. You of course all have the freedom to be corporate sellouts and let corporations p0wn you on their terms when they feel like doing so, but others like myself will not accept those terms.

                    Steam can fuck off. Long live DRM-free software, and best: open source software.

                    Switch to bounty models. Also, live in countries which don't have out-of-control costs of living so that it will cost less to program.

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                    • Originally posted by Yfrwlf View Post
                      Switch to bounty models. Also, live in countries which don't have out-of-control costs of living so that it will cost less to program.
                      I think Wolfire and the other indies from the Humble Bundle are striving for something along those lines.

                      Heh...I'll say it again...I'm mildly surprised Phoronix didn't cover that more than they did this stuff. It's as big as Valve possibly doing Steam and Source for Linux- which is all he's got for actual things he can state and have people verify right at the moment.

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