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  • Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    Greed breeds wars which breeds innovation.
    Greed breeds wars which breed genocide.

    Most of the great thinkers and inventors are pacifists and humanists.

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    • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
      We have to pass the time until it is official :P
      We might be here for a while then...

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      • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
        Most of the great thinkers and inventors are pacifists and humanists.
        Lol that's funny. Most of the "great thinkers" were given their freedom to do what ever they want by the state in return for sharing those ideas and innovations with the state to better their foothold.

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        • In fact I would gander that you would be hard pressed to find one item in your house that was not a byproduct of wartime needed inventions.

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          • Originally posted by deanjo View Post
            Lol that's funny. Most of the "great thinkers" were given their freedom to do what ever they want by the state in return for sharing those ideas and innovations with the state to better their foothold.
            They were pacifists and humanists working for the betterment of humanity, and now you make it into some great achievement that the state didn't tar and feather them and feed them to the dogs.

            Well, I'm deeply convinced by your argumentation.

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            • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
              They were pacifists and humanists working for the betterment of humanity, and now you make it into some great achievement that the state didn't tar and feather them and feed them to the dogs.

              Well, I'm deeply convinced by your argumentation.
              I make them out for nothing more then what they truly were.

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              • Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                In fact I would gander that you would be hard pressed to find one item in your house that was not a byproduct of wartime needed inventions.
                And I would gander that you would interpret a wartime weapon into Mother Theresa.

                "Feeding the poor creates better soldiers! The military let her treat lepers because of research into biological weapons".

                Your judgment is clouded by your views. Look up some quotes about Einstein and the military, or any other important scientist anyway. Einstein did his best work in his spare time, BTW.

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                • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                  And I would gander that you would interpret a wartime weapon into Mother Theresa.
                  Oh you mean Mother Theresa the product of another state?

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                  • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                    Your judgment is clouded by your views. Look up some quotes about Einstein and the military, or any other important scientist anyway. Einstein did his best work in his spare time, BTW.
                    Einstein the patent office clerk? lol Einstien the professor? Again a product of the state to which the state used and he did willingly, knowingly participate in developing the ultimate weapon to further his theories.

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                    • Yes, the patent office clerk. Theory of relativity does not belong to the tasks of a patent office clerk. That's why he developed it in his spare time.

                      I don't quite understand which part you find confusing.

                      The ultimate weapon didn't further his theories, btw. But it's OK, you don't really understand that stuff

                      Oh you mean Mother Theresa the product of another state?
                      Sure. She's the ultimate weapon. There was also Gandhi, who was produced by a hedge-fond think-tank in order to further war objectives.

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                      • Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                        The ultimate weapon didn't further his theories, btw. But it's OK, you don't really understand that stuff
                        LMFAO!!!


                        Albert Einstein
                        Old Grove Road
                        Peconic, Long Island
                        August 2nd, 1939
                        F.D. Roosevelt
                        President of the United States
                        White House
                        Washington, D.C.

                        Sir:
                        Some recent work by E. Fermi and L. Szilard, which has been communicated to me in manuscript, leads me to expect that the element uranium may be turned into a new and important source of energy in the immediate future. Certain aspects of the situation which has arisen seem to call for watchfulness and if necessary, quick action on the part of the Administration. I believe therefore that it is my duty to bring to your attention the following facts and recommendations.
                        In the course of the last four months it has been made probable through the work of Joliot in France as well as Fermi and Szilard in America--that it may be possible to set up a nuclear chain reaction in a large mass of uranium, by which vast amounts of power and large quantities of new radium-like elements would be generated. Now it appears almost certain that this could be achieved in the immediate future.
                        This new phenomenon would also lead to the construction of bombs, and it is conceivable--though much less certain--that extremely powerful bombs of this type may thus be constructed. A single bomb of this type, carried by boat and exploded in a port, might very well destroy the whole port together with some of the surrounding territory. However, such bombs might very well prove too heavy for transportion by air.
                        The United States has only very poor ores of uranium in moderate quantities. There is some good ore in Canada and former Czechoslovakia, while the most important source of uranium is in the Belgian Congo.
                        In view of this situation you may think it desirable to have some permanent contact maintained between the Administration and the group of physicists working on chain reactions in America. One possible way of achieving this might be for you to entrust the task with a person who has your confidence and who could perhaps serve in an unofficial capacity. His task might comprise the following:
                        a) to approach Government Departments, keep them informed of the further development, and put forward recommendations for Government action, giving particular attention to the problem of securing a supply of uranium ore for the United States.
                        b) to speed up the experimental work, which is at present being carried on within the limits of the budgets of University laboratories, by providing funds, if such funds be required, through his contacts with private persons who are willing to make contributions for this cause, and perhaps also by obtaining co-operation of industrial laboratories which have necessary equipment.
                        I understand that Germany has actually stopped the sale of uranium from the Czechoslovakian mines which she has taken over. That she should have taken such early action might perhaps be understood on the ground that the son of the German Under-Secretary of State, von Weizsacker, is attached to the Kaiser-Wilhelm Institute in Berlin, where some of the American work on uranium is now being repeated.
                        Yours very truly,
                        Albert Einstein


                        No not at all.

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                        • Brainfart on my side, E=mc^2, I shouldn't post when it's 2am and I'm coming back from a concert.

                          It's pretty clear what Einstein thought of nuclear weapons anyway.

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                          • Didn't further them, anyway :P

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                            • Originally posted by Einstein
                              Had I known that the Germans would not succeed in producing an atomic bomb, I would not have lifted a finger.
                              Humanist, misused by warmongers, like most scientists.

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                              • This one is also good:

                                Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it.

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