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  • #31
    The sheer amount of people that are willing to trade in opensource drivers for binary drivers here is staggering. It is also totally unrespectfull to the ATI devs who are sticking their necks out for us.

    Did you guys ever concider using Windows? It seems you don't care about opensource anyway.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by MaestroMaus View Post
      The sheer amount of people that are willing to trade in opensource drivers for binary drivers here is staggering. It is also totally unrespectfull to the ATI devs who are sticking their necks out for us.

      Did you guys ever concider using Windows? It seems you don't care about opensource anyway.
      Right, because using the high-performance binary driver that is the fruit of years of labour by ATi engineers is much less respectful than using the open-source driver...that is the fruit of years of labour by ATi engineers.

      Please, spare us the purist zealotrolling. People are allowed to use the hardware they purchased with their hard-earned money with the software of their choosing.

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      • #33
        As for the topic, I'm willing to wait if it works. I've been patient for a long time, and a little more won't kill me (though I might even consider going back to fglrx to improve my experience. You know, if it works with my kernel and X server).

        And damn the single minute edit window. Holy crap.

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        • #34
          im not much of a game player these days. If however steam, or stardock, or whoever ports games to linux i will buy regardless of if its open source.


          Too much stock is put into the state of the drivers. The key thing is Linux is now developed enough for that is is possible steam could port. Which i think this is amazing.

          I would have hoped that steam would have open discussions with the community about what they need.



          The most interesting thing to find out would be what demand they are expecting from Linux users. How many people have asked for a native Linux client. How many games would like to switch to linux.

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          • #35
            I play Valve games on linux just fine with Crossover Games (have the orange box, l4d and l4d2). So obviously it works.

            Of couse not all drivers are up to par, but hey, now they can be tested decently. Before HoN I had never heard of anything else requiring GL 2 on linux.

            Also, there are quite a number of games that are on the steam store that have linux versions. Not a LOT, but probably enough for a nice start.

            Btw, @Zhick, you say that Heroes of Newerth is working with r300g? When did that happen? Last time I tried it crashed after hitting 100% of the game loading screen.

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            • #36
              Btw, does anybody know if Valve is capable of tracking the user share that runs steam through WINE on Linux?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by entropy View Post
                Btw, does anybody know if Valve is capable of tracking the user share that runs steam through WINE on Linux?
                Yes: Hardware surveys. Wine's drýver name is not the same name as ati's, intel's, etc...

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                  Yes: Hardware surveys. Wine's drýver name is not the same name as ati's, intel's, etc...
                  Know where to look in here:
                  http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/
                  ?

                  I would like to know how many use steam through wine.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by chourmovs View Post
                    Phoronix, i follow you for years now and i have to tell i find that trying to make sensation like this is not your real skill
                    Second that... already found myself another news site thats more objective, but phoronix is still one of my favorites.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by xir_ View Post
                      The most interesting thing to find out would be what demand they are expecting from Linux users.
                      A better question would be what demand they are expecting from Linux users who would actually pay money for software and services.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by MaestroMaus View Post
                        The sheer amount of people that are willing to trade in opensource drivers for binary drivers here is staggering. It is also totally unrespectfull to the ATI devs who are sticking their necks out for us.

                        Did you guys ever concider using Windows? It seems you don't care about opensource anyway.
                        Don't get me(us) wrong. I would really really like to use the OSS driver. The reality of it is that my HD4850 performs more like an HD4850 with FGLRX than it does with the OSS driver at this time. With the higly progressive rate of the OSS driver; there will be little reason to use FGLRX in the near future.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by rbmorse View Post
                          A better question would be what demand they are expecting from Linux users who would actually pay money for software and services.
                          World of Goo sales seem to suggest that there is quite the demand for Linux games. After 2 days, Linux version downloads had already accounted for 4.6% of all downloads. That's 4 times the percentage of Linux users worldwide, so apparently Linux users are more likely to buy games than Windows users.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by rbmorse View Post
                            A better question would be what demand they are expecting from Linux users who would actually pay money for software and services.
                            I would suggest that in raw data, there is probably a lot more pirates in the windows camp than on Linux percentage wise. One of the many reasons I use linux is so that I don't have to pirate windows. After paying good money for 95, 98, 98se and a couple of XP oem licenses, I don't see the value in paying money again and again to a giant that I don't want to support, and that frankly doesn't give 2 $#!7s about any of their users and their needs as long as their stanglehold on the market is strong.
                            And I have 152 games in my steam games list.

                            For most users using ubuntu, the games on steam vs the OSS games in the repository represents an unfair advantage in favour of steam for the most part; because that's where the money is. The equasion is also pretty simple: money = better games.

                            I'm sure there will be plenty of paying users from the Linux camp.
                            Even if Linux only accounts for 2%~ish of the desktop market. I'm sure that 1 year after steam come to linux, that 2% might look more like 4-5%.

                            I find it quite genius that Valve is coming to linux even if it ends up costing them a lot in the short run. Getting a great big foothold before mass adoption is sure to win them the market when it develops. And I was ridiculed not too long ago for suggesting that Steam might make it's way to Linux fairly soon :P I WIN!

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by [Knuckles] View Post
                              Btw, @Zhick, you say that Heroes of Newerth is working with r300g? When did that happen? Last time I tried it crashed after hitting 100% of the game loading screen.
                              Have a look at this thread. Essentially it's working since a few days, and hasn't been broken yet. So quickly go grab a git-snapshot and get to compiling.

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                              • #45
                                I agree with BlueKoala. I use Linux and I don't pirate software. While I support the F/OSS ideals, I am also pragmatic. Honestly, if GNU/Linux cost money and Windows was free, I would pay for former, simply because I feel it provides a nicer computing experience and fits my needs better. I also have spent roughly $1000 dollars on steam games over the past years and I would love to play them (or at least a subset of them) on Linux.

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