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    I am completely fine with what you have done and i think it's not harmfull. Actually quite opposite, it is indicating that there are linux users interested of gaming.

    And now if some1 think's valve is believing that we think we can get games free raise your hands. Or this is chase off game publishers?
    There is long history of making game cracks, but if i have understood correctly in steam games pirating % is lot lower than average without being crappy unusable drm (like ubisoft's recent ones).

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    • And after all it is yet again one prove about interest of gaming in linux platform.

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      • There are many other ways to get Steam Games and bypass Steam. Just look at your favorite filesharing site for some Valve games. As far as I know, they don't crack steam, they just replace it with some apps to bypass Steam and tell the game that it's authenticated and logged into Steam.

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        • Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
          Okeay, then all, what you say, means that we can share patched version of steamui.so, right?
          No. I guess this would be very dependent on the country you're in and it's laws, but here in Norway it would be crystal clear violation of the Norwegian «åndsverksloven», which is much the same as a copyright law. By redistributing a patched or even unpatched software, I would be taking a piece of software that I don't have any ownership of and doing something I don't have any right to do (actually just the patch part of it, i.e. change the software it self, would also be a violation of the same law). I don't know how this works in other countries, but I suspect there is similar laws in action preventing redistributing. You can't just redistribute things or do anything to it without any consent from the owner or any person with the rights to grant you permission to do it.

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          • Originally posted by eXlin View Post
            There is long history of making game cracks, but if i have understood correctly in steam games pirating % is lot lower than average without being crappy unusable drm (like ubisoft's recent ones).
            Not only that, but Linux piracy percentage is also lower than Windows piracy percentage, if we go by World of Goo numbers. Publishers should feel pretty comfortable about Linux.

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              And we are not posting steamui.so file but patch only what will fix some bugs.

              Remco: need to google that i quess
              I tried demo of that game and liked it a lot, quess i would buy that attleast when steam comes :P

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              • Look into the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. I cite:
                It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as digital rights management or DRM) that control access to copyrighted works. It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself.
                With other words patches are as well illegit as sharing the modified files as they are a way to modify the files.

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                • Originally posted by Dragonlord View Post
                  Look into the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. I cite:


                  With other words patches are as well illegit as sharing the modified files as they are a way to modify the files.
                  This is only if the patches are circumventing copy protection. Compatibility patches are exempt from the DMCA.

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                  • Originally posted by eXlin View Post
                    There is long history of making game cracks, but if i have understood correctly in steam games pirating % is lot lower than average without being crappy unusable drm (like ubisoft's recent ones).
                    Yes, this is correct. Steam is probably the only platform (call it DRM if you want) that not only works reliable, but also offers advantages and not disadvantages like that Ubisoft crap and Steam only games like the ones from Valve get pirated less. Also, the weekend deals on Steam are highly successful, like with Codemasters selling 5 (five) AAA-Titles for 16€ this weekend.

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                    • Originally posted by Remco View Post
                      This is only if the patches are circumventing copy protection. Compatibility patches are exempt from the DMCA.
                      Here in Finland if i remember correctly only cracking "strong" encryption is illegal. Can't call that encrypted, not to mention "strong".

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                      • That also includes discussing about cracking/work-around for strong encryption/drm.

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                        • Originally posted by eXlin View Post
                          And we are not posting steamui.so file but patch only what will fix some bugs.

                          Remco: need to google that i quess
                          I tried demo of that game and liked it a lot, quess i would buy that attleast when steam comes :P
                          Since you've not got a derivative works license, you'd actually be deemed committing an act of infringement. You don't own the binaries, and in order to make a "patch" you have to have derived them from the original- something you don't have a derivative works and publication license from Valve for.

                          This stuff ISN'T like the FOSS stuff. You CAN'T go and do these sorts of things without consequence. It's not like hacking the Linux distribution that Asustek put on their motherboards, etc. It's hacking on something that you can't conceivably have a license to and in a manner that there's no way for you to be protected from the legal aspects of your actions in all jurisdictions. More to the point, you're playing with fire- if Valve gets tired of you jokers trying to hack up a beta test version so you can "get Steam on Linux", they might just pull the plug on the whole thing.

                          Please. STOP THIS. NOW.

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                          • Originally posted by Dragonlord View Post
                            With other words patches are as well illegit as sharing the modified files as they are a way to modify the files.
                            And the reason that they're that way is more than just DMCA in the States- it's a Derivative work, folks. If you don't have a license like the GPL to allow you that, you're actually committing an act of infringement there.

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                            • Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
                              And the reason that they're that way is more than just DMCA in the States- it's a Derivative work, folks. If you don't have a license like the GPL to allow you that, you're actually committing an act of infringement there.
                              I don't believe a configuration change constitutes enough material to be a copyrightable work of any kind, let alone a derivative work. This is a trivial patch, which (as a consequence) does not crack any copy protection or cause any commercial damage.

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                              • You can not play anything with the hack, it just shows the splash screen. Compared to other binary hacks that's definitely harmless. But basically lots of Linux users want a steam client and would most likely buy games for it. See it as free promotion - better than nobody talks about it. I certainly would work on a Linux client, especially when it is relatively similar to Mac and not that much extra work. Wine works in theory too, but is much slower especially for the games without opengl engine.

                                It's not even a pirate copy of anything - and even those do not always harm the success. Without piracy dos/win (and even office) would not be that popular as it is now. This also applies to games, a game thats not copied is usually not successfull.

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