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  • #16
    I actually have an article on my site where i tried to get some info out of them:
    http://www.gamingonlinux.info/news.php?view=26

    Basically same old crap - they are "working".

    This post actually caused MaximB to also make a new post on it referencing my post and my replies to him on the Ubuntu Forum, cannot post the link as i am at work and his site is barred. But his article has a very long comment on it from the apparent CEO of LGP with a "Sob Story" and all, i tried contacting to see if it is him or not but he never replied. He calls customers childish and everything in the comment so i don't want to believe it is him.

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    • #17
      Check out Michel Simms comments on http://lgn.linux-hardcore.com/open-letter-to-lgp/

      I can't say that I disagree with their reasons for keeping silent. Never the less, there must be golden middle ground. People will be willing to delay their buy-Windows-game-and-run-it-under-Wine plans, if they know that their game is being worked on. It's very unlikely that people that already bought the Windows titles will be willing to buy the Linux title as well.

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      • #18
        The golden middle ground is to respond to existing game purchased support request!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by liamdawe View Post
          Basically same old crap - they are "working".
          Careful there... In most of the circumstances with LGP's stuff, there is a number of 3-5 developers working part-time while in school or holding down a day job (gee...this sounds familiar...I wonder why...oh, yeah...) and they're not working on things 40 hours a week like someplace like iD.

          He's right in the article gilboa linked to...

          Originally posted by Michael Simms
          There are VERY few people I would accept chastisement from in the realm of Linux gaming. Ryan Gordon for example, I would take it from. Several of my devteam who have sacrificed months or years of their time because like me they believe in what they do, they can also criticise me. But to take abuse from someone that may have bought a couple of games, and who thinks I owe them a living, is a bit much.
          As one of the short list he refers to there, I can tell you right now that I've little desire to call him out on things. Sure, he's done some things that might be debatable (I'll be honest and say that I don't agree with some of his decisions- but they're done with HIS company...)- but griping about something that you'd honestly get from someone like iD or Epic and we put up with for a long time running and do it when we're only roughly 7-9 months out from something is a bit over the top on things like he points out.

          I do agree that the partial silence and the hit-or-miss support response isn't looking good all the same, so I'll try to dredge up some info I can disclose for you guys.

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          • #20
            Plenty of the criticism of LGP is unfair and uncalled for, but they do seem to have a major problem communicating.

            Every once in a while people get curious about what they're up to, or even if they're still around, and every time they respond it's hidden away: obscure forum posts, emails, or some comment somewhere.

            The long comment on the open letter is a good example, that's just the kind of stuff that should go on their own site, where everyone can find it.

            The only thing worse than not having a blog, is having one that's never updated, it creates the impression that there used to be a lot of activity, but has stopped for some reason. And that's the kind of void where ugly rumors are born.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by whizse View Post
              The only thing worse than not having a blog, is having one that's never updated, it creates the impression that there used to be a lot of activity, but has stopped for some reason. And that's the kind of void where ugly rumors are born.
              I'd hesitate to say it's not been updated (~2 months isn't that, folks...hell, I don't update all that much on my blogs either...my last Advogato entry was years ago... )- I'd say that right now there's a few people that're making more of this than they probably ought to. The delays you're seeing on everything but Bandits and Disciples 2 are typical for LGP to begin with- and I'm not wholly sure why Bandits hadn't already shipped other than perhaps he decided to get it converted over to PenguinPlay from baseline Grapple and thought I wasn't available for that. (When I actually get in touch with him, I'm going to chide him over that...I told him I'd tell him when I actually quit...I've never told him that and don't plan on it for a while yet to come...)

              Ugly rumors are going to start no matter what, folks- well, unless you're going solid strong on things, that is (Well, I think we've hashed over and over part of the WHY that's not the case- and Michael Simms points it out too... I won't bore everyone with THAT particular rant again.. ). More to the point, the rumors are coming from the same class of crowd that bitch about what LGP has managed to acquire and won't pay the prices he's having to charge for it just to mostly break even or lose less money. If you're not going to buy, spare everyone.

              And if the rumors are less than just that...well...what of it?

              Seriously.

              You've got my current endeavors outside LGP going on. You've got the Humble Bundle crowd doing what they're doing. You've got other Indies stepping up to the plate as time progresses. You might have Valve hanging in the wings...

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              • #22
                Svartalf,

                I'm far from being a member of the bitch and moan crowed.
                Beyond buying games from LGP and Tuxgames whenever possible (even if its more expensive), I also do my best to report bugs, and offer solutions whenever I can.

                I fully understand why Micheal Simms is pissed, God knows anyone who ever worked on OSS projects know exactly how he feels. (Though I would imagine that closed source developers on Windows get the same treatment, if not worse; Guess it the nature of the beast...)
                Never the less, something isn't right with LGP.
                If I compare the responsiveness of LGP and even Micheal himself during the X3 beta (~1.5y ago) to today, one cannot ignore the fact the LGP does look as if they have entered some type of suspended animation. Back in the beta I used to see bugs fixed within days; a couple of weeks ago I sent in a detailed bug report with a possible fix and it have yet to land at LGP's mantis.

                I sure hope I'm wrong, but the outlook does look too bright right now. (And with it, my hopes of a X3:TC port [I pledge 200$ for the first copy] )

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by gilboa View Post
                  I sure hope I'm wrong, but the outlook does look too bright right now. (And with it, my hopes of a X3:TC port [I pledge 200$ for the first copy] )

                  - Gilboa
                  I'm thinking he's more than slightly short-handed more than anything else right at the moment.

                  Originally posted by LGP Website
                  Is grateful to Slashdot for finally noticing that LGP exists, after militantly ignoring any game release we have made for the last 5 years, as soon as reports of our death come through, we get a front page story. Slashdot - Your support of Linux is inspirational.
                  For others who wonder, we are very much alive. We have had a couple of staffing issues on the admin side of things, which explains most of our silence, but work is progressing on more than one unannounced title. We will offer further updates as and when there is news to update you with.
                  I think there's a hint in that for you. Sounds like my assessment above might be dead-on...

                  And if everyone would take the time to read the article you linked to earlier in this thread, we might see some of why things are being stretched thin.

                  Honestly, I'd want to wait and see what happens before making news out of this (Looking Michael Larabel's direction here on this one...) because nobody knows what's going on right at the moment- not even one of their devteam people.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
                    I'm thinking he's more than slightly short-handed more than anything else right at the moment.

                    I think there's a hint in that for you. Sounds like my assessment above might be dead-on...

                    And if everyone would take the time to read the article you linked to earlier in this thread, we might see some of why things are being stretched thin.

                    Honestly, I'd want to wait and see what happens before making news out of this (Looking Michael Larabel's direction here on this one...) because nobody knows what's going on right at the moment- not even one of their devteam people.
                    I wasn't busy working 12h a day on a new startup, I'd offer to port X3:TC myself for a piece of the revenue

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