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  • #31
    i agree with rfdparker, while i don't expect to see a steam on linux, i would say after recent events i find it more likely then i did before - i do find it interesting that they had no comment when its always been a "no" before.

    as for the arguement of whether we should want steam on linux - i hate steam, but valve makes awesome games... i would certainly not want steam to become the de-facto standard linux games marketplace... but i would gladly purchase the entire half life/portal/etc collection again to support a native linux port.

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    • #32
      I also wouldn't set my hopes high about Steam port for Linux. There are a few interesting titles that are supposed to be released for Linux, e.g. Rage. I simply hope that Id won't change its mind.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by AdrenalineJunky View Post
        i agree with rfdparker, while i don't expect to see a steam on linux, i would say after recent events i find it more likely then i did before - i do find it interesting that they had no comment when its always been a "no" before.

        as for the arguement of whether we should want steam on linux - i hate steam, but valve makes awesome games... i would certainly not want steam to become the de-facto standard linux games marketplace... but i would gladly purchase the entire half life/portal/etc collection again to support a native linux port.
        I on the other hand love steam. I have a nasty habit of not looking after my CDs properly so something like Steam (which I've been using back when my Radeon 9600XT was new) has been a life saver

        Blizzard have saved my bacon too with there new downloaders for Warcraft 3

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        • #34
          Originally posted by bugmenot View Post
          Guys there wont be a Linux release of Steam. I expected more from Michael Larabel rather than a "ZOMG IZ IT TRUE ??" type of article. It isn't very sensible Michael to falsely give hope to people
          You do realize that Phoronix is really nothing more than a monetized blog with an attached forum*, right? So the "ZOMG" articles do what they are intended, which is to drive up site traffic and increase ad revenue.

          Much like The Huffington Post and the Drudge Report, there is no real journalism here, just opinions that occasionally look like news.

          *not that there is anything wrong with that

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          • #35
            I call it news when I read about X.org stuff that I didn't know before.

            But it does seem unlikely at this point in time to have a Linux release. Wait a few years until Linux is where Mac is now.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by FireBurn View Post
              I on the other hand love steam. I have a nasty habit of not looking after my CDs properly so something like Steam (which I've been using back when my Radeon 9600XT was new) has been a life saver

              Blizzard have saved my bacon too with there new downloaders for Warcraft 3
              Life saver? Okay... if you consider bought games which can not be installed since steam messes up the installation (cache files broken) and can not run it since it thinks the game "is already running" a life saver... yeah... maybe then you can love it... but only then... if you are drunk... and a loner... :P

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              • #37
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                Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                You do realize that Phoronix is really nothing more than a monetized blog with an attached forum*, right? So the "ZOMG" articles do what they are intended, which is to drive up site traffic and increase ad revenue.

                Much like The Huffington Post and the Drudge Report, there is no real journalism here, just opinions that occasionally look like news.

                *not that there is anything wrong with that
                Well, to be fair, they do a fair bit of benchmarking, and even even made a benchmarking suit, etc.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Dragonlord View Post
                  Life saver? Okay... if you consider bought games which can not be installed since steam messes up the installation (cache files broken) and can not run it since it thinks the game "is already running" a life saver... yeah... maybe then you can love it... but only then... if you are drunk... and a loner... :P
                  It's more every time I reinstall windows or delete my .wine directory I don't need to look for CDs, serials or NOCD patches. It even works on my ultra mobile laptop - which doesn't have an optical media drive. I wish all my games were so easy to install and update

                  I've never had any issues with it "already running" or the with the cache files. Though I've never been more than a casual gamer looking at the purdy graphics before quitting and and downing my sorrows for being a loner.

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                  • #39
                    Easy to install and update? You're kidding right? It's ten times easier to install and update a game outside of steam than with this steaming pile of shit. I don't want to count how often this bullcrap turned my games installations into shreds because it messed up the crappy cache files... if it manages to install. I already had games I had to download and install outside steam since installing them with steam they could not be played. Steam simply refused to launch them with spurious and incomprehensible error messages. Besides you have to use "their" updates. An update fucks up your game? touch luck boy. You have to use this update as steam forces it down your throat. No... this piece of crap should be banned from existence.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by rfdparker2002 View Post
                      Well, to be fair, they do a fair bit of benchmarking, and even even made a benchmarking suit, etc.
                      And what a joy that's been. Pages and pages of "results" that don't tell us very much. News on up and coming beta versions and continuous kernel benchmarking that shows huge regressions that will be revealed in up and coming "news" articles.

                      I think I preferred the blog reposting

                      Having said that it's sometimes very clear that no understanding are in the articles at all. I think the GLU3 story showed that quite well

                      I think I might make a benchmark on how quickly phoronix release stories after the original blog goes up, I could then correlate this to the number of grammatical errors. Maybe even have a diff between the blog and the phoronix story too and see how that relates to the previous results and draw outrageous and unfounded conclusions :-D

                      Grr I shouldn't post when I'm in a bad mood

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Dragonlord View Post
                        Easy to install and update? You're kidding right? It's ten times easier to install and update a game outside of steam than with this steaming pile of shit. I don't want to count how often this bullcrap turned my games installations into shreds because it messed up the crappy cache files... if it manages to install. I already had games I had to download and install outside steam since installing them with steam they could not be played. Steam simply refused to launch them with spurious and incomprehensible error messages. Besides you have to use "their" updates. An update fucks up your game? touch luck boy. You have to use this update as steam forces it down your throat. No... this piece of crap should be banned from existence.
                        Like I said I've had no problems, I've had lots of problems finding patches for other games that have gone out of fashion. Such as the original Unreal or Star Trek Armada I & II. Even the tomb raider games.

                        I have no idea where my Evolva CD is so unless I pirate it I can't play that again. Same goes for the games I have on floppy disk. I don't remember how long it's been since I had a PC with a floppy drive.

                        At least if steam mucks up you should still have support from Valve.

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                        • #42
                          I honestly don't feel comfortable with steam being ported to linux. Even if I do love the games... The DRM side of things scares me a little. I can already see that LGP are going down that path too. I like hard DVD version. I dunno, maybe I'm stuck in the dark ages.. =/

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by b15hop View Post
                            I honestly don't feel comfortable with steam being ported to linux. Even if I do love the games... The DRM side of things scares me a little. I can already see that LGP are going down that path too. I like hard DVD version. I dunno, maybe I'm stuck in the dark ages.. =/
                            I do like having pretty box sets (whether it's games, books, DVDs or blurays) but for ease of use having a file on your PC is often easier

                            My legal British copy of the Final Destination in 3D won't work on my American PS3. There's no bluray player for linux so I booted into Windows on a separate drive to watch it. Unfortunately it won't play because of a problem with HDCP - it asks me to connect up via VGA rather than HDMI because of it. I very nearly downloaded it from Pirate Bay.

                            I don't think the dodgy downloads have subtitles for the hard of hearing though, which was a must as one of my friends is deaf. We ended up watching Total Recall instead.

                            I think I've just gone off topic

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by FireBurn View Post
                              Like I said I've had no problems, I've had lots of problems finding patches for other games that have gone out of fashion. Such as the original Unreal or Star Trek Armada I & II. Even the tomb raider games.

                              I have no idea where my Evolva CD is so unless I pirate it I can't play that again. Same goes for the games I have on floppy disk. I don't remember how long it's been since I had a PC with a floppy drive.

                              At least if steam mucks up you should still have support from Valve.
                              I've news for you then. Valve can, with a flick of their finger, take all your games away. Isn't that great? Some corrupt company can simply steal all the games you have bought with your hard earned cash because they can't fucking stand your face or your name? Now that's what I call "safe". And what if they take down content? They have no obligation to "store your files". All your games gone because they are no more interesting. And last but not least support from Valve is up your ass. If the problem is not in the FAQ they tell you to go fucking screw yourself. Support... yeah... my ass... don't make me laugh.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Dragonlord View Post
                                I've news for you then. Valve can, with a flick of their finger, take all your games away. Isn't that great? Some corrupt company can simply steal all the games you have bought with your hard earned cash because they can't fucking stand your face or your name? Now that's what I call "safe". And what if they take down content? They have no obligation to "store your files". All your games gone because they are no more interesting. And last but not least support from Valve is up your ass. If the problem is not in the FAQ they tell you to go fucking screw yourself. Support... yeah... my ass... don't make me laugh.
                                Actually yes, that is my largest concern with steam - that they could take away a game from you on a whim. As a distribution system, it's nice, but it has just a little too much control over your games, even after you've downloaded them.
                                I hear that some people had the AvP demo vanish from steam on them after they downloaded it, just because they were in Germany. The problem was that it available for a short time, but removed late - granted it shouldn't have been available in the first place, but removing it from people who already downloaded it? That makes steam quite untrustworthy.

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