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  • #46
    Originally posted by Apopas View Post
    Yeah, the real menace is the preinstallation of windows in the new computers. If the governments obligated the computer sellers to give always option about the software that comes with a new computer, we would live in a better world.
    Not gonna happen. This would completely obliterate the warranty system since the vendors simply can't test their computers with every single existing operating system and software and they can't ship you something they haven't tested will work. Also a law that would demand computers to be sold bare isn't gonna happen either since average users want things to Just Work (tm) for them.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by nanonyme View Post
      Well, considering an operating system generically is a set of programs and libraries with a kernel to run it all on, I don't think it's that far off. True, they might perceive it a bit wrong but technically if you answer "Linux" when they ask which program that is, you answered them wrong. You probably should've answered either "Gnome" or "KDE" or whichever desktop environment you're running.
      I just say Ubuntu

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      • #48
        Originally posted by nanonyme View Post
        Not gonna happen. This would completely obliterate the warranty system since the vendors simply can't test their computers with every single existing operating system and software and they can't ship you something they haven't tested will work. Also a law that would demand computers to be sold bare isn't gonna happen either since average users want things to Just Work (tm) for them.
        Probably, but they should give you at least the option, to buy the machine bare if you want.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Apopas View Post
          Girls who install antiviruses by their own aren't acceptable customers for us. We want just the ones who want their machines just for fun. Fortunately this is the absolute majority. Personally, I don't know any girl that installed anything alone except very few girls that study computer science
          Wow, sexist tripe on a Linux forum, how original...

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          • #50
            perhaps a mass female linux conversion campaign?

            "mass" and "female" in the same sentence? L33F3R is in for it now....

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Apopas View Post
              Probably, but they should give you at least the option, to buy the machine bare if you want.
              They probably do if you ask but that isn't going to significantly reduce the price since OEM Windows costs close to nothing.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by nanonyme View Post
                They probably do if you ask but that isn't going to significantly reduce the price since OEM Windows costs close to nothing.
                Nope, 99% of the cases they don't, also, a good, seller should ask the customer what OS he wants in the same way he asks what VGA card he wants.
                The matter is not just the price (which is still lower with Linux, in a matter someone could buy an extra hard disk) but the fact the casual John who buys a computer believes that windows and PC is one and the same. If for some reason he gets the opportunity to get a PC with Linux, then we wouldn't see the 90% of the current Desktops to run window$.
                Last edited by Apopas; 09-16-2009, 01:04 PM.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                  Wow, sexist tripe on a Linux forum, how original...
                  Sexist? The opposite. I consider the girs to be the best candidates for using Linux. That's a compliment

                  Originally posted by L33F3R View Post
                  perhaps a mass female linux conversion campaign?

                  "mass" and "female" in the same sentence? L33F3R is in for it now....
                  You can begin from your own GF. Take it as an excercise

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by phoronix View Post
                    Phoronix: Good News, id Tech 5 Is Likely Coming To Linux

                    Contrary to earlier reports stating that the forthcoming id Tech 5 engine from id Software would likely not be ported to Linux due to the involved work, cost, and lackluster Linux graphics drivers (according to John Carmack), it looks like we will end up seeing this next-generation game engine running with Linux.Timothee Besset (perhaps better known as TTimo) has written a blog post that clears up the situation. Timothee is largely responsible for all of id Software's game client and server ports to Linux, like with Enemy Territory: Quake Wars...

                    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzUzNg
                    Mmmkay, folks....

                    </I told you so...>

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by nanonyme View Post
                      They probably do if you ask but that isn't going to significantly reduce the price since OEM Windows costs close to nothing.
                      Actually, OEM XP Home costs next to nothing. VISTA, on the other hand, is a differing story.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Apopas View Post
                        Nope, 99% of the cases they don't, also, a good, seller should ask the customer what OS he wants in the same way he asks what VGA card he wants.
                        The matter is not just the price (which is still lower with Linux, in a matter someone could buy an extra hard disk) but the fact the casual John who buys a computer believes that windows and PC is one and the same. If for some reason he gets the opportunity to get a PC with Linux, then we wouldn't see the 90% of the current Desktops to run window$.
                        Microsoft knows there is demand for this and IIRC is said to have incorporated into their special OEM contracts requirements for:

                        - Not selling "bare" machines and (maybe) parroting MS talking points about how buying OS-less machines is evil. Dell apparently installs FreeDOS to sidestep this requirement.

                        - "Per-model licensing", which means that every computer of a given model name/number gets a Windows license as part of the contract. Thus the OEM has to set up a different "model" in order to sell the same machine with a non-Windows OS. This is what MS came up with after "per-processor licensing" (i.e. OEM pays for a Windows license for every desktop/notebook CPU they ship) was shot down by the courts as anti-competitive.

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                        • #57
                          5% playing QL is still very pathetic

                          Such a number would not convince me if I was a mainstream game writer to dedicate time to linux development

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Naib View Post
                            5% playing QL is still very pathetic

                            Such a number would not convince me if I was a mainstream game writer to dedicate time to linux development
                            Fortunately for you you are not then.
                            To get 5/% without the need for the amount of advertisements that the windows share needs, means easy money.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Naib View Post
                              5% playing QL is still very pathetic

                              Such a number would not convince me if I was a mainstream game writer to dedicate time to linux development
                              When you consider that Linux has about a 1% market share it's not too shabby.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by pvtcupcakes View Post
                                When you consider that Linux has about a 1% market share it's not too shabby.
                                I agree it is good, but please read my post again (and Ireally think Apopas should after his rude reply)

                                I was posting w.r.t. Mainstream games. Take Batman Arkam Asylum, that game looks great. 5% of QL players being linux users out of... what? 1000QL players isn't that significant really

                                for specialist of indie games it is a nice number for them to concider investing in linux dev because it will more then likely show some financial return.

                                But for the big games they are not even going to blink, iD are an exception to this and it almost looked like they were going to follow the financial incentive route

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