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  • #16
    "Milking" is an appropriate term.
    Regardless of whether or not the licensing fee is absorb into the final product price, the end user only pays one fee. Linux users have to buy the game, and keep paying fees forever (or as long as they want to play the game). If that doesn't describe milking Linux users, I don't know what does.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by benmoran View Post
      "Milking" is an appropriate term.
      Regardless of whether or not the licensing fee is absorb into the final product price, the end user only pays one fee. Linux users have to buy the game, and keep paying fees forever (or as long as they want to play the game). If that doesn't describe milking Linux users, I don't know what does.
      If there were game publishers actually interested in publishing a linux release you would enjoy the same benefit. A license is guaranteed revenue, a middleware product that some may buy is not.

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      • #18
        Yeah, but they don't choose to bring these games to Mac and not to Linux. That's what they are being paid for. It's the GAME PUBLISHERS that DON'T GIVE A SHIT to GNU/Linux users.

        Now, about what Cedega did with the code they borrowed from WINE and built their product upon, they should have learned from Apple that released all source code they got from FreeBSD, KDE, etc, under the terms of the same FOSS licenses they got. Even the code they didn't have to. Now everybody praise them a lot.

        But nowadays Cedega isn't that great when compared to the actual state of WINE, a true and complete implementation of the W32 ABI, fully binary compatible, with most accompanying libraries already implemented.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by jntesteves View Post
          Yeah, but they don't choose to bring these games to Mac and not to Linux. That's what they are being paid for. It's the GAME PUBLISHERS that DON'T GIVE A SHIT to GNU/Linux users.
          Exactly my point, you can bitch at Transgaming all you want but it is the publishers that decide what gets ported. Cedega offers a solution to ease the "port" nothing more nothing less. Lets face it Cedega has probably made more with just the EA deal then it did in years trying to live off a subscription base linux solution with a constantly moving target. With OS X they have guaranteed revenue through licensing, stable platform, and enjoy 3rd party marketing for their product. It just makes financial sense to support OS X vs a potential "hit or miss" market like linux gaming.

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          • #20
            Im a Cedega member and I am one happy gamer. I just want to enjoy my games on Linux. Now Transgaming has said all improvements on Cider, they will implement back to Cedega. So for example warhammer online is in beta testing for Mac all-ready so pretty soon it will be playable in Cedega.

            I have played both Crysis games using cedega and play left 4 dead on it just about everyday. Im just stating that I dont mind being a member and being able to play my games in Linux.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Inversius View Post
              Is it just me or are others concerned about the fact that TransGaming, which has 'borrowed' significantly from the WINE project, is not doing the community any favors? I could probably even swallow their proprietary approach if they just charged a moderate one-off fee for the use of their code, but no, users have to just keep on feeding the coins in the slot as the meter ticks. The very antithesis of FOSS.
              They're not a good company, if you don't like 'em don't use their product. A consumer boycott in this shallow market will damage their business irreparably. Also, If they violate any laws in your country take them to court.


              Problems solved.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                They're not a good company, if you don't like 'em don't use their product. A consumer boycott in this shallow market will damage their business irreparably. Also, If they violate any laws in your country take them to court.


                Problems solved.
                Thing is that they have not broken any laws. The fork of wine that they sprouted from is from a MIT-license. With the Cider deals that they are signing it's very unlikely that a boycott of Cedega would have any appreciable damage to TransGaming.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                  They're not a good company, if you don't like 'em don't use their product. A consumer boycott in this shallow market will damage their business irreparably. Also, If they violate any laws in your country take them to court.
                  Or rather than boycotting Cedega, you could support Wine buy buying from CodeWeavers who cooperate with Wine.

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                  • #24
                    Better idea, do not support non-native solutions at all <.=.<

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                    • #25
                      Sure, I've nothing against you buying native Linux games. :3 (or rather non-Windows ones; not that I would have anything against you buying Windows games either)
                      Last edited by nanonyme; 08-13-2009, 07:10 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Thing is that they have not broken any laws. The fork of wine that they sprouted from is from a MIT-license.
                        I was talking about their advertising that may violate consumer protection laws in some jurisdictions.

                        With the Cider deals that they are signing it's very unlikely that a boycott of Cedega would have any appreciable damage to TransGaming.
                        People said the same thing about the K-Mart boycott, they went into chapter 11 bankruptcy because of it. A boycott that successfully convinced paying members to stop paying for Cedega and move to wine or CxGames would hurt their business.

                        @nanonyme - That is boycotting Cedega.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                          @nanonyme - That is boycotting Cedega.
                          Boycotting implies I'd somehow try to get people not to buy their products and not buy them myself imo. I wasn't encouraging towards that. I mostly noted that Wine benefits from buying CodeWeaver's products and doesn't from buying Cedega's. It's more a matter on whether you care about Wine or not than whether you want to boycott Cedega.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                            I was talking about their advertising that may violate consumer protection laws in some jurisdictions.

                            People said the same thing about the K-Mart boycott, they went into chapter 11 bankruptcy because of it. A boycott that successfully convinced paying members to stop paying for Cedega and move to wine or CxGames would hurt their business.

                            @nanonyme - That is boycotting Cedega.

                            Would you care to give an example of how their advertising violates any potential consumer laws? If anything they are very forward and up front with their products capabilities.

                            Even say if you did find such an example in local jurisdiction cases violations are usually met with a full refund of the product to the users that fall in that jurisdiction. Even in extreme cases such as data loss the settlement is more then likely going to result in a extended length of service to those effected customers such as Intuit and Apple's cases of data loss with Quickbooks and Apple's .Me service.


                            K-Mart died because of crooked ownership and their inability to modernize their company. They were broke well ahead of any boycott.

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                            • #29
                              well, once upon a time wine was bsd licenced. Transgaming forked and never contributed back, so it was changed to lgpl.
                              Result: todays wine is much better than Transgamings old fork.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by energyman View Post
                                well, once upon a time wine was bsd licenced. Transgaming forked and never contributed back, so it was changed to lgpl.
                                Result: todays wine is much better than Transgamings old fork.
                                When it comes to gaming, thats simply wrong..

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