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    Phoronix: 550 Days Later, UT3 Linux Appears Dead

    If you follow Phoronix or the Linux gaming scene at all you will know the mess that has become to be known as Unreal Tournament 3. Last month when we asked Epic Games about the status of the Linux game client, they were not even sure. Back in March the developer responsible for porting the UT3 client and server to Linux, Ryan Gordon, claimed to be still working on it and was just optimizing and fixing annoying bugs...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzI4Mg

  • #2
    sad isnt it. I think its something we have all known for a while whether we had admitted it or not.

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    • #3
      I can't believe I bought this game and have never played it, what the fuck. They had no problem with supporting linux in the past, and where even enthusiastic about it at times... what a bunch of jerks, no fucking official statement even.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by oneman View Post
        I can't believe I bought this game and have never played it, what the fuck. They had no problem with supporting linux in the past, and where even enthusiastic about it at times... what a bunch of jerks, no fucking official statement even.
        Same here...
        Yeah I know it was stupid to buy it before there was a client out. That was definately the last game I bought before there is official linux support.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by oneman View Post
          I can't believe I bought this game and have never played it, what the fuck. They had no problem with supporting linux in the past, and where even enthusiastic about it at times... what a bunch of jerks, no fucking official statement even.
          I don't really want to add insult to injury but the only thing stupid about that was you guys buying this before Linux support was confirmed to be working. I wanted to buy UT3 and even pre-ordered it but when I heard they would ship the Linux support as a "patch" afterwards I cancelled and it seems that would have been the right thing to do. I'm still very fond of that whole "someone is paying them to keep it back" conspiracy theory. It works on several consoles and there was even a running build showed off by the dev so what's the problem other than someone doesn't want it to come out. Someone ask icculus about it ... if he doesn't rip your head off maybe we get another excuse to help ourselves over the months until the next article of this kind is posted on phoronix.

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          • #6
            I don't understand the hype about games for Linux. So what if ONE game is ported to Linux. That doesn't change anything. Linux will not be a gaming platform, as long as Windows is installed on 90% of all desktops, and the GPU drivers are optimized for Windows.

            Solution: Buy Cedega, end of problem
            Last edited by Louise; 05-22-2009, 11:53 AM.

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            • #7
              The biggest problem is the perfermance drop you have with wine or cedega. As long as this is not resolved a highend gfx cards is as slow as a low budget one with it when you play demanding games. In those cases i would prefer dual boot.

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              • #8
                Is that a general rule, that there is a performance drop?

                I think I have seen benchmarks that show sometimes the game is a few frames faster on Linux?

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                • #9
                  It's quite obvious they don't want to release the game for Linux. And if they do, they did it on purpose to release it 2 years after the Windows release. In any case, of course I'm not buying this shit. I'de rather boot on Windows and play another game.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Louise View Post
                    Solution: Buy Cedega, end of problem
                    @ all the new Linux users reading this: check the Cedega forums first and decide then if it is worth your money.


                    Originally posted by Louise View Post
                    Is that a general rule, that there is a performance drop?

                    I think I have seen benchmarks that show sometimes the game is a few frames faster on Linux?
                    I think it is safe to say that is a general rule. I never ever saw a performance increase with a wide variety of games. Feel free to prove me wrong though.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Louise View Post
                      Is that a general rule, that there is a performance drop?

                      I think I have seen benchmarks that show sometimes the game is a few frames faster on Linux?
                      Well, in case of opengl-games, the difference in fps might be neglectable, and maybe in some few cases wine might even be faster (I doubt cedega would be, their wine-snapshot is ancient and except for incorporating copy-protection I don't think they ever did much with it... see for example Eve, which was "officialy" supported by Cedega, but in the end even the Eve-guys sayd "heck, we'll just drop official linux(/cedega) support since wine just works better").
                      But all the "big" titles use direct3d/directx, which will never achieve native speed with wine, so that doesn't really matter. Plus, if the game uses opengl, it's more likely their already is a linux-port around anyway.

                      Edit: @topic: Well, I'm glad I didn't buy the game. I almost got weak when it was available for only ~20€ for a short time on amazon (not too long after release).
                      For the reasons: I actually think it's possible that Ryan just wasn't able to pull it off (till now, at least). I mean, porting an AAA-game like UT3 is surely not a simple task, it might have been too much for him even though he's very experienced at it.
                      Last edited by Zhick; 05-22-2009, 12:07 PM.

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                      • #12
                        I have bought Cedega just to be able to play Hurrican. Screenshots at:

                        http://www.poke53280.de/gallery/index.php?showcat=1

                        The game is free, and is the best game I have ever played. It is a remake of Turrican 2.

                        It isn't listed as working, but it works.

                        hehe. On the old winehq.com had they some benchmarks, I think it was with Quake 2, where it was faster on Linux.

                        But then again, Quake 2 is a loooong time ago Now everybody is playing www.QuakeLive.com, and before you ask.

                        Yes, id Software is working on a Linux and MAC version See buttom of frontpage.

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                        • #13
                          Did anybody read the article? It never said anywhere that the port is dead other than on the front page.

                          That's one of the most complained things about Phoronix: They put titles that say something like "Left 4Dead & Steam client on Linux confirmed!" and then it's an article about a file found in the demo rather than an announcement from Valve or a download link for said client.

                          It's too bad, really, because the info we get here is still very nice.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Louise View Post
                            I have bought Cedega just to be able to play Hurrican. Screenshots at:

                            http://www.poke53280.de/gallery/index.php?showcat=1

                            The game is free, and is the best game I have ever played. It is a remake of Turrican 2.

                            It isn't listed as working, but it works.

                            hehe. On the old winehq.com had they some benchmarks, I think it was with Quake 2, where it was faster on Linux.

                            But then again, Quake 2 is a loooong time ago Now everybody is playing www.QuakeLive.com, and before you ask.

                            Yes, id Software is working on a Linux and MAC version See buttom of frontpage.
                            WHY?!

                            Why don't you use Wine for it? It's free, better then Cedega in my experience and opensource.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Louise View Post
                              I don't understand the hype about games for Linux. So what if ONE game is ported to Linux. That doesn't change anything. Linux will not be a gaming platform, as long as Windows is installed on 90% of all desktops, and the GPU drivers are optimized for Windows.

                              Solution: Buy Cedega, end of problem
                              There's not exactly a "hype" only customers that really want to see games on their native platform. If ONE game is ported really successfully to Linux that doesn't change anything rightaway but sets a nice signal for those who want to explore new markets and/or make some more money. Linux won't be a gaming platform not because Windows is installed everywhere but because developers refuse to make games work on it. Imagine you could give someone a free operating system that runs all major games ... Windows would be royally screwed in many places.

                              Your "solution" is a workaround for desperate people at best. I tried running several games with Cedega and it blows. Wine does a better job most of the time and I won't pay AGAIN to play the games I already own just to find out they won't work properly. Also the performance drop and other problems is just not worth it. Cedega is not a solution. In fact it makes the problem worse ... it gives developers an excuse for not developing "for" Linux and still shipping Linux versions. EVE Online had a so called "Linux client" until a few months ago which was little more than the Windows game packaged together with a version of cedega. It wouldn't even run. That's what I call a lazy solution. I'm still looking forward to seeing the Source engine on Linux hopefully later this year (has been personally confirmed to me) and we'll see how many will install a pirated copy of Windows just to play the Orange Box when any Linux derivative would just work as well.

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