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  • #11
    Originally posted by Louise View Post
    Is that a general rule, that there is a performance drop?

    I think I have seen benchmarks that show sometimes the game is a few frames faster on Linux?
    Well, in case of opengl-games, the difference in fps might be neglectable, and maybe in some few cases wine might even be faster (I doubt cedega would be, their wine-snapshot is ancient and except for incorporating copy-protection I don't think they ever did much with it... see for example Eve, which was "officialy" supported by Cedega, but in the end even the Eve-guys sayd "heck, we'll just drop official linux(/cedega) support since wine just works better").
    But all the "big" titles use direct3d/directx, which will never achieve native speed with wine, so that doesn't really matter. Plus, if the game uses opengl, it's more likely their already is a linux-port around anyway.

    Edit: @topic: Well, I'm glad I didn't buy the game. I almost got weak when it was available for only ~20€ for a short time on amazon (not too long after release).
    For the reasons: I actually think it's possible that Ryan just wasn't able to pull it off (till now, at least). I mean, porting an AAA-game like UT3 is surely not a simple task, it might have been too much for him even though he's very experienced at it.
    Last edited by Zhick; 05-22-2009, 12:07 PM.

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    • #12
      I have bought Cedega just to be able to play Hurrican. Screenshots at:

      http://www.poke53280.de/gallery/index.php?showcat=1

      The game is free, and is the best game I have ever played. It is a remake of Turrican 2.

      It isn't listed as working, but it works.

      hehe. On the old winehq.com had they some benchmarks, I think it was with Quake 2, where it was faster on Linux.

      But then again, Quake 2 is a loooong time ago Now everybody is playing www.QuakeLive.com, and before you ask.

      Yes, id Software is working on a Linux and MAC version See buttom of frontpage.

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      • #13
        Did anybody read the article? It never said anywhere that the port is dead other than on the front page.

        That's one of the most complained things about Phoronix: They put titles that say something like "Left 4Dead & Steam client on Linux confirmed!" and then it's an article about a file found in the demo rather than an announcement from Valve or a download link for said client.

        It's too bad, really, because the info we get here is still very nice.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Louise View Post
          I have bought Cedega just to be able to play Hurrican. Screenshots at:

          http://www.poke53280.de/gallery/index.php?showcat=1

          The game is free, and is the best game I have ever played. It is a remake of Turrican 2.

          It isn't listed as working, but it works.

          hehe. On the old winehq.com had they some benchmarks, I think it was with Quake 2, where it was faster on Linux.

          But then again, Quake 2 is a loooong time ago Now everybody is playing www.QuakeLive.com, and before you ask.

          Yes, id Software is working on a Linux and MAC version See buttom of frontpage.
          WHY?!

          Why don't you use Wine for it? It's free, better then Cedega in my experience and opensource.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Louise View Post
            I don't understand the hype about games for Linux. So what if ONE game is ported to Linux. That doesn't change anything. Linux will not be a gaming platform, as long as Windows is installed on 90% of all desktops, and the GPU drivers are optimized for Windows.

            Solution: Buy Cedega, end of problem
            There's not exactly a "hype" only customers that really want to see games on their native platform. If ONE game is ported really successfully to Linux that doesn't change anything rightaway but sets a nice signal for those who want to explore new markets and/or make some more money. Linux won't be a gaming platform not because Windows is installed everywhere but because developers refuse to make games work on it. Imagine you could give someone a free operating system that runs all major games ... Windows would be royally screwed in many places.

            Your "solution" is a workaround for desperate people at best. I tried running several games with Cedega and it blows. Wine does a better job most of the time and I won't pay AGAIN to play the games I already own just to find out they won't work properly. Also the performance drop and other problems is just not worth it. Cedega is not a solution. In fact it makes the problem worse ... it gives developers an excuse for not developing "for" Linux and still shipping Linux versions. EVE Online had a so called "Linux client" until a few months ago which was little more than the Windows game packaged together with a version of cedega. It wouldn't even run. That's what I call a lazy solution. I'm still looking forward to seeing the Source engine on Linux hopefully later this year (has been personally confirmed to me) and we'll see how many will install a pirated copy of Windows just to play the Orange Box when any Linux derivative would just work as well.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by Louise View Post
              Is that a general rule, that there is a performance drop?

              I think I have seen benchmarks that show sometimes the game is a few frames faster on Linux?
              The only game from my experience to have a better experience under WINE in Linux then in Windows is World of Warcraft. My latency has always been extremely better under linux (no joke its a 200ms difference for me) and frame rate has always been even with Windows until a recent patch (3.0.9) that (according to the WINE appDB) removed the -opengl option.

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              • #17
                Try to poke it with a stick.

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                • #18
                  UT3 is great and it's a shame if it never makes it to Linux.

                  However, what might really make a difference would be someone with money and influence (think Mark Shuttleworth) lobbying a few big game developers/publishers to make or get someone to make (like LGP) Linux ports of some big games. Blizzard with WoW would be great, Bethesda with Fallout/Elder Scrolls would be cool as well. Not to mention Valve with Steam and Source.

                  This would propel the creation of stable and usable game-making tools on Linux (easier porting - remember what the guy who made Braid said about Linux and it seems he really tried), as well as establish a certain credibility for the platform.

                  LGP have been wasting their time with games few will want to play; they really should be given the chance to work (preferably alongside the development of the Windows version) on some really blockbuster games, I think.
                  Last edited by dammarin; 05-22-2009, 02:31 PM.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by MaestroMaus View Post
                    @ all the new Linux users reading this: check the Cedega forums first and decide then if it is worth your money.

                    I think it is safe to say that is a general rule. I never ever saw a performance increase with a wide variety of games. Feel free to prove me wrong though.
                    As someone else suggested, the Windows version of Quake 2 ran much faster in Wine (IIRC ~20fps faster), back when I had a 3dfx Voodoo 3. It even ran faster than the native Linux version on my PC.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Louise View Post
                      Solution: Buy Cedega, end of problem
                      Dont mind me voicing my opinion but that is some of the most stupid shit i have ever heard (please mind the harsh language). Cedega, when it rarely ever works builds its foundation on wine code and doesn't support back. I have not even bothered to look at the wine licence (i belive it was MIT at the time) but from a morality point of view the cedega team needs a good beating.

                      I dont often advocate the theft of software and for cedega i dont either, infact i recommend no one use it.

                      If Linux isn't a gaming platform then I suppose windows is? I believe the Xbox3Shitty and Playnation3 are considered "gaming platforms" but please correct me.

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