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  • Eve Online axes Linux Port

    I don't know if this is news but sure is news to me.

    http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/02/11...-bu-bye-linux/

  • #2
    Originally posted by niniendowarrior View Post
    I don't know if this is news but sure is news to me.

    http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/02/11...-bu-bye-linux/
    It's not news. And it's because Cedega can't cut it...WINE/CrossOver Games does a better job of things and they say as much as part of the reason they're dropping it. If you see someone using this as rationale for Linux not being worthwhile, you might want to point out that tidbit as well...

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    • #3
      yeah, it's non-news since it was never a port, and it's anti-news because CCP are offering some level of support for Wine as a platform: http://wiki.winehq.org/AppsThatSupportWine

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
        It's not news. And it's because Cedega can't cut it...WINE/CrossOver Games does a better job of things and they say as much as part of the reason they're dropping it. If you see someone using this as rationale for Linux not being worthwhile, you might want to point out that tidbit as well...
        My bad. I did link to the article though!
        It does make it harder for them to figure out Linux numbers, right?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
          It's not news. And it's because Cedega can't cut it...
          It's news if you paid for it thinking your platform would be supported. Cedega users generally know better, though.

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          • #6
            I was planning to try it out but when I heard it uses Cedega (just like the Google Earth failure) I lost my interest.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
              It's news if you paid for it thinking your platform would be supported. Cedega users generally know better, though.
              Oh, it is...they're just telling you that WINE/CrossOver Games works better (and they're not paying for Cedega to support you anymore...) and you should be using that if you're playing on Linux.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
                Oh, it is...they're just telling you that WINE/CrossOver Games works better (and they're not paying for Cedega to support you anymore...) and you should be using that if you're playing on Linux.
                I think you missed the subtle bitterness caused by experience with "Cedega support." Basically, only the people that have no experience with Cedega as a product didn't see this coming. As a reference see their "port" of the Sims.

                Transgaming isn't the greatest of companies, their customer support is terrible, their product is advertised in a misleading manner, and frankly I'm surprised no one has filed more complaints with the BBB about them.

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                • #9
                  It's not supposed to be a great solution. After all it's emulation and whoever has at least a bit of experience with console emulation knows how much of a problem that is. And emulating all bugs in Windows is not much easier . So if you use that product in any way it's your problem not theirs. And emulation is anyways not the solution to the problem after all.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dragonlord View Post
                    It's not supposed to be a great solution. After all it's emulation and whoever has at least a bit of experience with console emulation knows how much of a problem that is. And emulating all bugs in Windows is not much easier . So if you use that product in any way it's your problem not theirs. And emulation is anyways not the solution to the problem after all.
                    Let me get this straight: I pay for a product that is advertised as being able to play certain games out of the box, that is advertised as having customer support, timely updates, etc. and it is my fault when the product doesn't live up to its advertising for supported games, the customer support tickets go ignored, and updates aren't released?

                    None of these can be blamed on the customer nor can they be blamed on the difficulty of translating windows system calls to linux calls. All of these are the sole fault of Transgaming and their lack of linux support. They are a terrible company.

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                    • #11
                      Talk to Svartalf about what "rights" you have when it gets down to games... you would be surprised

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dragonlord View Post
                        Talk to Svartalf about what "rights" you have when it gets down to games... you would be surprised
                        In this case, they're still supporting the product on the OS in question, they're just going about it in a different fashion. Transgaming IS to blame for the failure of the prior form of support working on Linux, but they're still supporting the current customers by way of making sure WINE works and helping the WINE teams sort it out when it doesn't work. Eve Online's requirements there are met per the way the law's framed in on this one.

                        Keep solidly in mind that what's "right" and what the law says doesn't always meet up with each other. More often than not these days, they never see a glimpse let alone come in the same room.

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                        • #13
                          Talk to Svartalf about what "rights" you have when it gets down to games... you would be surprised
                          This isn't about "rights" this is about a company falsely advertising its product, ignoring its paying customers (they offer a service and advertise support for said service) and the people that don't realize that this what to expect from the company on this platform.

                          Former Cedega users know how poorly transgaming supports the platform and how misleading the advertising is which is illegal in some jurisdictions.

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                          • #14
                            Not in software. You do not have the right ( for any software ) that it runs correctly on your system. So you can not hold reliable a company if a software does not work for one reason or the other. I don't think you can uphold such a claim in court especially since EULAs tend to explicitly state this circumstance although not explicitly required.

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                            • #15
                              Assuming the courts choose to let the EULA stand: not guaranteed, they have been thrown out before, very few of them have really been tested in court, and the suspicion in some jurisdictions is that the EULA will be held to have no legal value at all. Even if the EULA stands, that won't excuse a false advertising claim that it "supports" linux. If they claim it, it is extremely unlikely that any fair court will permit them to not support linux on the grounds that the EULA provides no guarantees.

                              In Ireland at least, there is a whole raft of legislation which includes specifically:
                              1) Goods must be as advertised.
                              2) Goods must be of merchantable quality.

                              It is unlikely any EULA can over ride those two requirements, certainly none in the normal form in software (installation click through) would be allowed to.

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